From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Apr 2 10:19:53 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA18377 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 10:19:51 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21617 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 06:22:13 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21613 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 06:22:10 -0400 Received: from unidui.uni-duisburg.de by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA13954 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 06:22:08 -0400 Received: from Alpha.Fact.Rhein-Ruhr.De by unidui.uni-duisburg.de (1.37.109.4/SMI-3.2) id AA17630; Sun, 2 Apr 95 12:22:04 +0200 Received: by fact.rhein-ruhr.de (DUUCP vom 01.07.1994) with ZConnect; 01 Apr 1995 17:24:42 +0200 From: chris@surprise.rhein-ruhr.de (Chris Hodges) X-Mailer: MicroDot 1.10 [REGISTERED 000261] Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199503311056.MAA15025@napier.iesd.auc.dk> X-Gateway: ZCONNECT UU fact.rhein-ruhr.de [DUUCP vom 01.07.1994] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: 01 Apr 1995 17:24:42 +0200 To: amos-list@access.digex.net Status: RO X-Status: dux@iesd.auc.dk (Frank Busborg) wrote on 31.03.1995 some text under the subject (no subject). I can't leave this uncommentated ;-) FB> This made be able to display flickerfree modes in my workbench FB> on my new 15 inches SVGA monitor. It is wonderful. Surely it is :-) FB> However, when I program in amos and open new screens like FB> FB> Screen Open 1,640,512,16,Laced+hires FB> FB> ofcause the screen will be laced (laced+hires). FB> FB> Is there a way to open a flickerfree 640*512 hires screen noninterlaced FB> in Amos? I would appreciate any help! There is always a way to do this. Currently, I don't have enough hardware docus about AGA, but I managed to 'open' a 640x512 (overscanned 736x580) interlace screen in 256 AGA colours and AGA fades using my own copperlist. The biggest problem is, that AMOS seems to reserve the screen memory using AllocMem rather using AllocRaster which causes some really bad effects: In AGA the prefetch modes require 64-bit aligned screen data AND widths that are a multiple of 64, otherwise the display will be quite currupted. Using AllocMem the memory blocks may not be 64-bit aligned. The following text has been cut out from HowToCode7: ---------------------->cut<------------------------------------------ Fetch Mode Required for Displays -------------------------------- *ALL* ECS and lower screenmodes require only 1x datafetch. All modes run *FASTER* with at least 2x bandwidth, so try and use 2x bandwitdh if possible. Planes Colours Fetchmode LORES (320x256) 6 64 1 7 128 1 8 256 1 8 HAM-8 1 HIRES (640x256) 5 32 2 6 64 2 7 128 2 8 256 2 8 HAM-8 2 SUPER-HIRES 1 2 1 (1280x256) 2 4 1 3 8 2 4 16 2 5 32 4 6 64 4 7 128 4 8 256 4 8 HAM-8 4 PRODUCTIVITY 1 2 1 (640x480,etc) 2 4 1 3 8 2 4 16 2 5 32 4 6 64 4 7 128 4 8 256 4 8 HAM-8 4 This table only shows the minimum required fetchmode for each screen. ---------------------->cut<------------------------------------------ Fetchmodes of 1 are not a problem whereas 2 and 4 are. (Everyone can try this out by Doke-ing $3 into $DFF1FC, to restore the value simple press Amiga-A twice). One more problem: AGA colours. There are no 256 24-bit colour registers, but the same 32 OCS 12-bit colour registers for all the colours. They are accessed by using a special register which switches between the eight upper-bits and the eight lower-bits colour banks. Very complicated and hardly any chance to get it into AMOS Screens. FB> By the way, I am programming in Amos Pro 2.0 and I like the new editor, FB> but I would truely like to include different colours in the scource-code FB> while editing to emphazise the different level of commands etc. Very good idea... FB> This would improve the readability while programming - right? Would be very handy :-) FB> It this possible and then what should I do? Hmmm no idea... Look at the code of the editor (which is an interface program) and try to find it out :-) Bye, Chris Hodges __ __ A500/290/CD/'30er; German Extension-Coder __ /// / / _____ GCS d H s-:++ !g p? !au a18 w++ v? C+++ \\\/// / /_/ ___/ LOGOUT E---- N++ K- W------ -po+ t++@ !5 j-- R+ G? \XX/ \__/ __/ FASCISM! tv- b+ D-- B? e+(++)* u++ h! f !r n+ !y+ AMIGA RULEZ! \/ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Apr 3 10:26:31 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01054 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 10:26:28 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA09402 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 05:43:08 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA09398 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 05:43:07 -0400 Received: from pianeta (pianeta.di.unito.it) by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA04186 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 05:43:01 -0400 Received: by pianeta (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17105; Mon, 3 Apr 95 11:09:09 +0200 From: aldo@di.unito.it ( Magoga - Borsista CSI ) Message-Id: <9504030909.AA17105@pianeta> Subject: Intuition problem... To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 11:09:08 +0200 (EET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 792 Status: O X-Status: Hi all. I think i cannot use Intuition extension! I tried to remove JD extension, running AMOS Pro from CLI, but nothing happened (yes, something happened, my system always crashed!). Someone told me to mount the null-handler. I saw in my l/ directory but it's not present! What is this null handler? Where i can find it? However, every other help is well accepted... Thanks at all. Luca (aldo@di.unito.it) PS: I heard the latest news about commodore's buy-out. A sign is expected for April 21. I heard about Escom too, but i don't know much this compa- ny. I know it how a PC seller company and i don't like this...PC with Commodore's logo but no more Amigas? Ahhhhhhhh.....this is a nightmare! Is there some german boy out there who can tell me more about Escom? From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Apr 3 08:38:46 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA09551 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 08:38:44 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA09073 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 05:17:30 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA09069 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 05:17:28 -0400 Received: from iesd.auc.dk by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA03734 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 05:17:27 -0400 Received: from yule.iesd.auc.dk (dux@yule.iesd.auc.dk [130.225.48.158]) by iesd.auc.dk (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA02474 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 11:17:08 +0200 From: Frank Busborg Received: from localhost (dux@localhost) by yule.iesd.auc.dk (8.6.5/8.6.5) id LAA10765 for amos-list@access.digex.net; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 11:21:21 +0200 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 11:21:21 +0200 Message-Id: <199504030921.LAA10765@yule.iesd.auc.dk> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Screen Modes X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: I recently heard of the possibility to connect a SVGA monitor to your amiga 1200/4000 with the help of an adapter. This made be able to display flickerfree modes in my workbench on my new 15 inches SVGA monitor. It is wonderful. However, when I program in amos and open new screens like Screen Open 1,640,512,16,Laced+hires ofcause the screen will be laced (laced+hires). Is there a way to open a flickerfree 640*512 hires screen noninterlaced in Amos? I would appreciate any help! By the way, I am programming in Amos Pro 2.0 and I like the new editor, but I would truely like to include different colours in the scource-code while editing to emphazise the different level of commands etc. This would improve the readability while programming - right? It this possible and then what should I do? Thanks for all possible help. Dux. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Apr 3 07:22:18 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA06749 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 07:22:15 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08105 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 03:58:49 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08101 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 03:58:47 -0400 Received: from ruucv1.chem.ruu.nl by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA19064 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 03:58:44 -0400 Received: from tc6.chem.ruu.nl by ruucv1.chem.ruu.nl (5.65/4.13) with SMTP id AA09560; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 09:58:42 +0200 Received: by tc6.chem.ruu.nl (1.37.109.4/4.31) id AA29519; Mon, 3 Apr 95 10:06:26 +0200 From: martijn@chem.ruu.nl (Martijn Wehrens, Utrecht) Message-Id: <9504030806.AA29519@tc6.chem.ruu.nl> Subject: why_no_sload To: amos-list@access.digex.net (Amos-Mailing-List) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 95 10:06:26 METDST Organisation: University Utrecht Reply: m.g.d.wehrens@chem.ruu.nl Reply-To: m.g.d.wehrens@chem.ruu.nl Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: RO X-Status: Has anybody ever tried the Sload-command ? It should work with the following syntax: Sload filenr,length TO addres This generates an error, however. After trying Ssave, which does work like it should, I looked in AmosPro.Lib. According to that file the format should be: Sload filenr TO a,b Supplying the start of a bank to b or a for that matter does NOT result in a bank containing part of a file! Where is this command loading its data to, to what addres ? Do you have any experience in using sload ? Any help is greatly appreciated --------------------------------------------------------------- Martijn Wehrens, Theoretical Chemistry Group Utrecht University email m.g.d.wehrens@chem.ruu.nl --------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Apr 3 11:37:51 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA19000 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 11:37:48 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA10968 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 06:56:42 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA10964 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 06:56:41 -0400 Received: from beech.soton.ac.uk by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA23316 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 06:56:34 -0400 Received: from alder.soton.ac.uk (alder.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.56]) by beech.soton.ac.uk (8.6.10/hub-8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03164 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 11:56:28 +0100 Received: (from pl@localhost) by alder.soton.ac.uk (8.6.10/client-8.8) id LAA04623 for amos-list@access.digex.net; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 11:53:17 +0100 Message-Id: <199504031053.LAA04623@alder.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Flickering Bobs To: amos-list@access.digex.net (Amos List) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 11:53:17 +0100 (BST) From: "Ludwig" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 695 Status: O X-Status: Grrr. Right, following the advice given, my program now looks something like this.. Unpack 6 to 0 Double buffer Autoback 0 Bob Update Off Do Bob Clear `Move bobs with Amal `And also do a Scroll command Bob Draw Screen Swap Wait Vbl Loop But my bobs are only being drawn on one of the pair of physical and logical screens, so they flicker even worse! Whats missing? Lud -- (*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*) (*- Email: pl@soton.ac.uk * "If you want to Immortalise -*) (*- WWW: http://www.soton.ac.uk/~pl/ * Digitise" -Apollo 440 -*) (*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*) From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Apr 3 09:11:04 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA10766 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 09:11:00 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA09268 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 05:31:00 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA09263 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 05:30:58 -0400 Received: from dc.hb.se (mayday.dc.hb.se) by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA22015 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 05:30:53 -0400 Received: from utb.shv.hb.se (ewa.shv.hb.se) by dc.hb.se (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA23377; Mon, 3 Apr 95 11:28:17 +0200 Received: from EWA/SpoolDir by utb.shv.hb.se (Mercury 1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 95 10:54:52 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by EWA (Mercury 1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 95 10:54:46 +0100 From: "Marco Eberhardt" Organization: University of Boras To: Chris@sixpack.pfalz.de (Chris Hodges), Amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 10:54:42 MET-1MEST Subject: Re: Text commands Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <146C35160B@utb.shv.hb.se> Status: O X-Status: Hi Chris! > I will add you to my list... Your name Eberhardt sounds rather > german, isn't it? ;-) Das stimmt! Yes, that's right... > Erm... you cannot register the extension in that way. It is a > commercial product like TOME and D-Sam instead. If you want it, you > can order it from The Software Society (but be aware that this is > still the german version 1.0). Sorry, i didn't know that... > > I'm doing the translation as quickly as possible but I'm still in > school and have many other things to do... Please be patiently. ;-) Ok, i'll be waiting.... write an E-mail to me when you are finished! :-)) /Marco. ********************************************************************* * Martial Arts makes life worth living :-)) * ********************************************************************* * The Place To Be Happy Is Here * * The Time To Be Happy Is Now * * The Way To Be Happy Is To Make Others So! * ********************************************************************* * E-MAIL ME: SA437@UTB.SHV.HB.SE * ********************************************************************* From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Apr 3 11:00:31 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA04495 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 11:00:25 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA09513 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 05:52:23 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA09508 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 05:52:22 -0400 Received: from dc.hb.se (mayday.dc.hb.se) by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA22403 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 05:52:16 -0400 Received: from utb.shv.hb.se (ewa.shv.hb.se) by dc.hb.se (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA23450; Mon, 3 Apr 95 11:49:47 +0200 Received: from EWA/SpoolDir by utb.shv.hb.se (Mercury 1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 95 11:16:22 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by EWA (Mercury 1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 95 11:16:08 +0100 From: "Marco Eberhardt" Organization: University of Boras To: v942351@si.hhs.nl, Amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 11:16:01 MET-1MEST Subject: Re: amal -scroll Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <14C7613BE5@utb.shv.hb.se> Status: O X-Status: > hi there! Hi... > > I am currently making some amos-demo routines and i am > trying to make an plain charset scroller. > well thats not a problem but i want to make it as fast as it can be! > so i want an amal charset-scroller. > > Does anybody got some tips for me?? or do you got a source witch > makes this possible?? I had a source code for this, but the LZX compressor program maked the packed amos-code unusuable to me, it was corrupt when i tried to uunencode it!!!! So i cannot uunencode it for ya... sorry! If I find a way to uuencode it, I will send a copy to ya! Have anyone else had a problem with LZX ??? Please tell me! /Marco. ********************************************************************* * Martial Arts makes life worth living :-)) * ********************************************************************* * The Place To Be Happy Is Here * * The Time To Be Happy Is Now * * The Way To Be Happy Is To Make Others So! * ********************************************************************* * E-MAIL ME: SA437@UTB.SHV.HB.SE * ********************************************************************* From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Apr 3 11:33:56 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA06452 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 11:33:53 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA12820 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 08:05:06 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA12816 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 08:05:05 -0400 Received: from goober.mbhs.edu by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA24752 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 08:05:04 -0400 Received: by goober.mbhs.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA32895; Mon, 3 Apr 1995 08:06:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 08:06:42 -0400 From: achurch@goober.mbhs.edu (Andy Church) Message-Id: <9504031206.AA32895@goober.mbhs.edu> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: why_no_sload Status: O X-Status: The format of the Sload command is: Sload file To start,length So to load data from file 1 into a 32k bank, you'd use: Sload 1 To Start(BANK),32768 --Andy Church (achurch@goober.mbhs.edu) WWW: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/ AMOS Web Site: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/amos/ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Apr 3 12:44:57 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA10607 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 12:44:53 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA15484 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 10:08:19 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA15480 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 10:08:17 -0400 Received: from crash.cts.com by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00108 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 10:08:16 -0400 Received: by crash.cts.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #23) id m0rvmnb-0000H4C; Mon, 3 Apr 95 07:08 PDT Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 07:08:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Cox To: ph@doc.ic.ac.uk Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: EasyLife v1.10 on Aminet Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: The EasyLife extension you uploaded to Aminet is actually v1.09 when installed and you look at the loaded extension info from the editor is says it is v1.09 and I can't get the AMOSGuide to work as it keeps saying Bank not reserved. What is wrong ? Greg From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Apr 4 14:10:23 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29076 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:10:19 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA05326 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 08:23:51 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA05320 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 08:23:49 -0400 Received: from eros.Britain.EU.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA07560 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 08:23:22 -0400 Received: from eurotherm.co.uk by eros.britain.eu.net with UUCP id ; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 13:22:15 +0100 Address: Faraday Close, Durrington, Worthing, W.Sussex, BN13 3PL, England. Phone: +44 903 268500 Fax: +44 903 265982 Received: from keeper.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by chough.controls.eurotherm.co.uk; Tue, 4 Apr 95 12:03:02 GMT Received: from chough.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by keeper.eurotherm.co.uk; Tue, 4 Apr 95 13:04:19 GMT Received: from osprey.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by chough.controls.eurotherm.co.uk; Tue, 4 Apr 95 12:02:59 GMT Message-Id: <7432.9504041202@osprey.controls.eurotherm.co.uk> Received: from dab.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by osprey.controls.eurotherm.co.uk; Tue, 4 Apr 95 12:02:56 GMT Sender: paulhi From: Paul Hickman Organization: Eurotherm Controls Limited To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 13:03:22 0 Subject: Re: EasyLife v1.10 on Aminet Reply-To: paul.hickman@ecl.etherm.co.uk Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Status: O X-Status: NOTE: My E-Mail address has changed as I am now on industrial placement from college for 6 months, but keep writting to ph@doc.ic.ac.uk, as my mail is forwarded, and I'm not sure it will be when this address goes invalid. Summary of reported problems with Easylife V1.10 > > > > The EasyLife extension you uploaded to Aminet is actually v1.09 when > > installed and you look at the loaded extension info from the editor is > > says it is v1.09 One of 2 possible causes: - I forgot to copy the Easylife.Lib file from my APSystem directory to the archive - There was not changes since V1.09 (which wasn't released) - only the support programs have changed. I think it is the later, although it may be the former - but I'm 100 miles from my amiga at the moment. > > and I can't get the AMOSGuide to work as it keeps saying > > Bank not reserved. What is wrong ? > > I think the only bank used was for the structued variables. If you have somehow deleted it (12), run the structures compiler accessory on AmosGuide.AMOS to create it I have also had a report of a guru (0100000f - Memory freed twice) when using the Elopen Font/Elset Font/ElClose Font routiines from stephen hill. I can't just an immediate reason for this unless I have mucked up the close font routine. Has anyone else had trouble? I have been told that the AMOSGuide.guide doesn't include instructions on converting the AMOS Pro help file. This is because I decided to use patch after writting AMOSGuide.guide. Instructions in archive 3, and in archive1's Readme.Guide Also, there have been reports of AMOS guide crashing after a lot of use, and of incorrect links. Please keep letting me know about link errors, but I'd like to know the page title, and link button text so I can trace them easily. Unfortunately I won't be able to fix things until I go back to london at easter. One quick tip for AMOS Guide - If you have the help installed on a hard drive, load each guide, and select "TurboCharge" from the menu - things will load much faster, as it saves all the easylife structued variables that descible the guide database into a file, so the entire .guide file does not need parsing each time it is loaded. Please keep the bug reports comming, and I'd also like to know what *does* work! +--------------------------------------------------------+ | WORK: Eurotherm Controls, Worthing | | Email: paul.hickman@controls.eurotherm.co.uk | | | | COLLEGE: Imperial College, London | | Email: ph@doc.ic.ac.uk | +--------------------------------------------------------+ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Apr 4 16:27:09 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA00754 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 16:26:05 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA12367 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 10:21:19 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA12362 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 10:21:17 -0400 Received: from crash.cts.com by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA14333 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 10:21:15 -0400 Received: by crash.cts.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #23) id m0rw9Th-0001tEC; Tue, 4 Apr 95 07:21 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 07:21:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Cox To: mfontana@varano.ing.unico.it Cc: ph@doc.ic.ac.uk, amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: EasyLife v1.10 on Aminet In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 4 Apr 1995, MeF wrote: > Arrrrrrgh!!! It took me 1 1/2 hour yesterday to understand that!!!!!! > I was wondering why the installed library was 1.09 and not 1.10!!! > > So I checked with version command in a cli and.... it was version 1.09! > > However the AmosGuide worked well with me. > > M&F > > P.S. Thanks Paul Hickman :) How did you get it to work or what did you do to get it to work ? I loaded in the AMOSGuide accessory and executed it and I got a file requester asking for an ".Guide" program when I selected a ".Guide" file I got a bank not reserved error ? Any idea what's wrong or do I not have EasyLife properly installed or what ? Greg From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Apr 4 20:22:23 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA28555 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 20:22:20 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA26492 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:23:38 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA26459 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:21:06 -0400 Received: from varano.ing.unico.it by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29865 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 14:20:30 -0400 Received: by varano.ing.unico.it (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA10028; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 09:52:23 +0200 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 09:52:22 +0200 (MET DST) From: MeF Sender: MeF Reply-To: MeF Subject: Double buffer problems (Was:flickering bobs) To: Ludwig Cc: Amos List In-Reply-To: <199504031053.LAA04623@alder.soton.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: [Program removed] > > But my bobs are only being drawn on one of the pair of physical and > logical screens, so they flicker even worse! Whats missing? > So Double buffer screens are quite difficult to manage, at least for me. Depending on what you want to obtain try setting Autoback at the beginning of your loop Autoback 0: This redirect all the drawing commands to the logical screen I needs you to manually swap the logical and the physical screen to show the changes. Autoback 1: You should use this. This draw things on both the logical and the physical screen. It is quite slow but it is very useful in many situations. Autoback 2: Try this, too. This syncronizes the screen update (screen swap) with the updating of the bobs. BTW: TURBO COMMANDS *ALWAYS* DRAW ON THE LOGICAL SCREEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was getting mad after 2 hours of programming as the Turbo Extension commands always wrote on the logical screen even with autoback 1!! I had to replace all the turbo commands with standard ones (not a great difference thoug, they had to wite very little on the screen). So be aware.... M&F From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 5 00:14:25 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA25664 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 00:14:22 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA12315 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 20:07:25 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA12311 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 20:07:22 -0400 Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA14023 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 20:07:18 -0400 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by disperse.demon.co.uk id am16027; 4 Apr 95 16:41 GMT-60:00 Received: from ultim.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id ab21817; 4 Apr 95 14:55 GMT-60:00 Received: by ultim.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA005td; Tue, 4 Apr 95 10:09:11 GMT Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 10:09:11 GMT Message-Id: <9504041009.AA005tc@ultim.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <146C35160B@utb.shv.hb.se> (from Marco Eberhardt ) (on Mon, 3 Apr 1995 10:54:42 MET-1MEST) Lines: 17 X-Mailer: ADMaN version 1.0 beta 1 (c) 1995 S.T.Brown From: Gareth Edwards To: Amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Text commands Status: O X-Status: Chris Hodges, About the CHANGE_FONT procedure you posted to the list a week or so ago; When I use the proc, I find that the monitor no longer works correctly. The "pointer" jumps around erratically and the "next command" prompt gives the wrong info. I just thought I'd better point that out to you and anybody else who's found that their monitor no longer works. G. -- Gareth Edwards, Leeds, UK. FUTURE LOVE PARADISE: http://www.cis.yale.edu/~ariedels/seal.html From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Apr 4 18:31:24 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21343 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 18:31:18 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA19771 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 12:24:34 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA19767 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 12:24:33 -0400 Received: from seraph.uunet.ca (uunet.ca) by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA22193 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 12:24:25 -0400 Received: from portnoy.canrem.com ([198.133.42.17]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <51100-2>; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 12:25:15 -0400 Received: from canrem.com by portnoy.canrem.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16116; Tue, 4 Apr 95 12:20:28 EDT Received: by canrem.com (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id 1D9AF6; Tue, 4 Apr 95 12:15:19 -0500 To: amos-list@access.digex.net Reply-To: CRSO.Amos@canrem.com Sender: CRSO.Amos@canrem.com Subject: stdin/stdout From: mike.pelletier@canrem.com (Mike Pelletier) Message-Id: <60.2074.6587.0C1D9AF6@canrem.com> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 12:57:00 -0400 Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Status: RO X-Status: Does anyone know how to hit the STDIN and STDOUT on the amiga? I need to access them from Amos. Where do I poke/peek to read the info and send info? Well met and godspeed, Giark From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Apr 4 22:33:15 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA06467 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 22:33:10 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA07328 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 18:23:17 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA07324 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 18:23:15 -0400 Received: from coyote.rain.org by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA20687 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 18:23:14 -0400 Received: by coyote.rain.org(8.6.10/RAIN-1.0) with id PAA10280 for on Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:18:10 -0700 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:18:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Yarg Niquoj To: CRSO.Amos@canrem.com Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: stdin/stdout In-Reply-To: <60.2074.6587.0C1D9AF6@canrem.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 4 Apr 1995, Mike Pelletier wrote: > Does anyone know how to hit the STDIN and STDOUT on the amiga? I need to > access them from Amos. Where do I poke/peek to read the info and send info? Well, I'm not sure what you mean. Because of the Amiga's ability to have more than one screen open at a time, there really isn't a standard place for input and output. x From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 5 01:00:11 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA27459 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 01:00:10 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA13644 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 20:39:22 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13639 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 20:39:20 -0400 Received: from bos1b.delphi.com by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA15850 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 20:39:19 -0400 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) id <01HOYCW67BG095NYD4@delphi.com>; Tue, 04 Apr 1995 20:39:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 1995 20:39:15 -0500 (EST) From: "M. Jeremy Trammell" Subject: Collision detection... To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <01HOYCW67UQQ95NYD4@delphi.com> X-Vms-To: IN%"amos-list@access.digex.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: Hi all! I'm working on a game that is basically a side view fast action air- -plane type game. My problem, is that the landscape below you is drawn (ie it's just a picture...), and your plane is a bob. Any suggestions as to how to detect collisions between the two? Some of my own ideas-> 1) One color is devoted entirely to the "sky" so I can check various points in the background around yoyuur plane to see if they are "non-sky" colors....Thus denoting a collision. 2) TAnother possibility is to have a special data file of some sorts that would hold the altitude of any particular point of land... Checking the file against your planes altitude would be a possibility. Both of theses methods have unsatisfactory side effects.... So any suggestions or improvements would be welcome! Thanks!, Jeremy From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 5 03:59:42 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21479 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 03:59:40 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA20748 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 22:19:34 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA20744 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 22:19:33 -0400 Received: from goober.mbhs.edu by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA05516 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 22:19:31 -0400 Received: from dragon.mbhs.edu by goober.mbhs.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA36053; Tue, 4 Apr 1995 22:21:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 22:21:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9504050221.AA36053@goober.mbhs.edu> From: achurch@dragon.mbhs.edu (Andy Church) To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: stdin/stdout Reply-To: achurch@goober.mbhs.edu X-Mailer: MMail v4.20 Status: O X-Status: >> Does anyone know how to hit the STDIN and STDOUT on the amiga? I need to >> access them from Amos. Where do I poke/peek to read the info and send info? > >Well, I'm not sure what you mean. Because of the Amiga's ability to have >more than one screen open at a time, there really isn't a standard place >for input and output. No, no... he means "standard input" and "standard output" as in any other language. When you run a program from a shell window, standard input and standard output are the shell window. As for reading/writing them, you'd have to use DOS function calls. To write to stdout: Procedure STDOUT[A$] FILE=Doscall(-60) : Rem Get stdout file handle If FILE : Rem Only do this if we have a stdout Dreg(1)=FILE Dreg(2)=Varptr(A$) Dreg(3)=Len(A$) DUMMY=Doscall(-48) End If End Proc Reading from stdin is more complicated: Procedure STDIN_CHAR FILE=Doscall(-54) If FILE C$=" " Dreg(1)=FILE Dreg(2)=Varptr(C$) Dreg(3)=1 N=Doscall(-42) If N=0 : Rem Check for EOF C$="" End If Else C$="" End If End Proc[C$] Procedure STDIN_LINE FILE=Doscall(-54) If FILE A$="" STDIN_CHAR : C$=Param$ While C$<>Chr$(13) and Len(C$)>0 A$=A$+C$ STDIN_CHAR : C$=Param$ Wend Else A$="" End If End Proc[A$] Disclaimer: these haven't been tested - in fact, I just now came up with them. --Andy Church (achurch@goober.mbhs.edu) WWW: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/ AMOS Web Site: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/amos/ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 5 05:59:49 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA25811 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 05:59:47 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA27872 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 01:46:26 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA27868 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 01:46:24 -0400 Received: from bos1a.delphi.com by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA16184 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 01:46:22 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) id <01HOYNUO9Y1C94EDIZ@delphi.com>; Wed, 05 Apr 1995 01:46:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.50) id <9504050141.memo.37353@BIX.com>; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 01:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 1995 01:41:32 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Collision detection... To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9504050141.memo.37353@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.net Status: O X-Status: Jeremy, I like the second idea. It would be pretty easy to write a program to create the datafile of altitudes, you'd just do Point()s downwards until you hit a non sky color. Then checking for a collision would be fast, just comparing a Peek() to your plane's Y co-ord. You could also then have a few different blues, or whites for clouds in the sky part of the picture. Seumas @ Dark Unicorn Productions (sfmcnally@bix.com) From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 5 09:12:56 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA26439 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 09:12:53 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA29590 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 03:23:03 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29586 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 03:23:01 -0400 Received: from pianeta (pianeta.di.unito.it) by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA20093 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 03:22:11 -0400 Received: by pianeta (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01610; Wed, 5 Apr 95 09:16:57 +0200 From: aldo@di.unito.it ( Magoga - Borsista CSI ) Message-Id: <9504050716.AA01610@pianeta> Subject: Re: stdin/stdout To: CRSO.Amos@canrem.com Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 09:16:56 +0200 (EET DST) Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net In-Reply-To: <60.2074.6587.0C1D9AF6@canrem.com> from "Mike Pelletier" at Apr 4, 95 12:57:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 561 Status: O X-Status: > > Does anyone know how to hit the STDIN and STDOUT on the amiga? I need to > access them from Amos. Where do I poke/peek to read the info and send info? > > Well met and godspeed, > Giark > Well ,it depends! If you look at STDIN & STDOUT like a console and so a Shell window, i think you have to get the Easylife extension by Paul Hickman. It includes some commands to send info (printing a message on the cli window..) or reading a string from the keyboard (always on a CLI window!). It's very useful.. Luca (aldo@di.unito.it) From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 5 09:35:44 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA27668 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 09:35:42 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA01869 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 04:28:25 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01864 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 04:28:23 -0400 Received: from eros.Britain.EU.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA22628 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 04:28:19 -0400 Received: from eurotherm.co.uk by eros.britain.eu.net with UUCP id ; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 09:28:00 +0100 Address: Faraday Close, Durrington, Worthing, W.Sussex, BN13 3PL, England. Phone: +44 903 268500 Fax: +44 903 265982 Received: from keeper.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by chough.controls.eurotherm.co.uk; Wed, 5 Apr 95 07:53:07 GMT Received: from chough.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by keeper.eurotherm.co.uk; Wed, 5 Apr 95 08:54:26 GMT Received: from osprey.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by chough.controls.eurotherm.co.uk; Wed, 5 Apr 95 07:53:04 GMT Message-Id: <13558.9504050753@osprey.controls.eurotherm.co.uk> Received: from dab.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by osprey.controls.eurotherm.co.uk; Wed, 5 Apr 95 07:53:02 GMT Sender: paulhi From: Paul Hickman Organization: Eurotherm Controls Limited To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 08:53:30 0 Subject: Re: stdin/stdout Reply-To: paul.hickman@ecl.etherm.co.uk Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Status: O X-Status: > Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:18:08 -0700 (PDT) > From: Yarg Niquoj > To: CRSO.Amos@canrem.com > Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net > Subject: Re: stdin/stdout > On Tue, 4 Apr 1995, Mike Pelletier wrote: > > Does anyone know how to hit the STDIN and STDOUT on the amiga? I need to > > access them from Amos. Where do I poke/peek to read the info and send info? > > Well, I'm not sure what you mean. Because of the Amiga's ability to have > more than one screen open at a time, there really isn't a standard place > for input and output. > > x > Easylife has Elin & Elout commands to read/write standard in/out from AMOS. +--------------------------------------------------------+ | WORK: Eurotherm Controls, Worthing | | Email: paul.hickman@controls.eurotherm.co.uk | | | | COLLEGE: Imperial College, London | | Email: ph@doc.ic.ac.uk | +--------------------------------------------------------+ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 5 15:40:43 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA06444 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 15:39:02 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA18794 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 11:35:46 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA18788 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 11:35:35 -0400 Received: from seraph.uunet.ca (uunet.ca) by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA05506 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 11:34:57 -0400 Received: from portnoy.canrem.com ([198.133.42.17]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <51563-1>; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 11:36:05 -0400 Received: from canrem.com by portnoy.canrem.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10199; Wed, 5 Apr 95 11:31:17 EDT Received: by canrem.com (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id 1D9EA3; Wed, 5 Apr 95 11:25:39 -0500 To: amos-list@access.digex.net Reply-To: CRSO.Amos@canrem.com Sender: CRSO.Amos@canrem.com Subject: Re: stdin/stdout From: mike.pelletier@canrem.com (Mike Pelletier) Message-Id: <60.2092.6587.0C1D9EA3@canrem.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 12:00:00 -0400 Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Status: O X-Status: >On Tue, 4 Apr 1995, Mike Pelletier wrote: >> Does anyone know how to hit the STDIN and STDOUT on the amiga? I need to >> access them from Amos. Where do I poke/peek to read the info and send info? > >Well, I'm not sure what you mean. Because of the Amiga's ability to have >more than one screen open at a time, there really isn't a standard place >for input and output. Well, yes there are. And you can't write online games unless you use stdin/stdout. Every language on the planet but amos can be easily ported to bbs games because they use the stdin/stdout routinnes for input/output. Amos uses its own and that's why I need to know how to get it to amiga standard format. Well met and godspeed, Giark From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 5 14:51:02 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02855 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 14:50:48 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA18800 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 11:36:13 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA18796 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 11:35:55 -0400 Received: from seraph.uunet.ca (uunet.ca) by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA05537 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 11:35:24 -0400 Received: from portnoy.canrem.com ([198.133.42.17]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <51534-8>; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 11:36:08 -0400 Received: from canrem.com by portnoy.canrem.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10204; Wed, 5 Apr 95 11:31:19 EDT Received: by canrem.com (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id 1D9EA4; Wed, 5 Apr 95 11:25:39 -0500 To: amos-list@access.digex.net Reply-To: CRSO.Amos@canrem.com Sender: CRSO.Amos@canrem.com Subject: Re: stdin/stdout From: mike.pelletier@canrem.com (Mike Pelletier) Message-Id: <60.2093.6587.0C1D9EA4@canrem.com> In-Reply-To: <9504050221.AA36053@goober.mbhs.edu> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 12:02:00 -0400 Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Status: O X-Status: re: std procs Thanks muchly, Andy. Every time I need something, you've got the answer. If it works as entered, I'll let you know. If not, I'll ask for more help. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 5 20:53:02 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA27985 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 20:52:50 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA28944 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 15:50:17 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA28938 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 15:50:11 -0400 Received: from seraph.uunet.ca (uunet.ca) by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA07330 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 15:49:59 -0400 Received: from portnoy.canrem.com ([198.133.42.17]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <52041-6>; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 15:51:17 -0400 Received: from canrem.com by portnoy.canrem.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28889; Wed, 5 Apr 95 15:46:25 EDT Received: by canrem.com (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id 1D9FE9; Wed, 5 Apr 95 15:42:27 -0500 To: amos-list@access.digex.net Reply-To: CRSO.Amos@canrem.com Sender: CRSO.Amos@canrem.com Subject: Re: stdin/stdout From: mike.pelletier@canrem.com (Mike Pelletier) Message-Id: <60.2097.6587.0C1D9FE9@canrem.com> In-Reply-To: <60.2093.6587.0C1D9EA4@canrem.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 16:40:00 -0400 Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Status: RO X-Status: Hey Andy. The STDOUT proc works fine, and the STDIN_CHAR works too (needs a return to finish the input but otherwise ok) but STDIN_LINE drops the first character entered and replaces it with the second character. For example: STDIN_LINE A$=Param$ and "fred" is entered in the CLI, A$ holds not "fred" but "rred". Do you know how to fix this? Thanks again, other than that, it is working perfectly, talking between amos and the cli. Well met and godspeed, Giark From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 5 20:38:53 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA11023 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 20:38:49 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA01778 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 16:46:53 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01772 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 16:46:51 -0400 Received: from vortex.netbistro.com by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA11701 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 16:46:45 -0400 Received: by vortex.netbistro.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #11) id m0rwbyK-000LTGC; Wed, 5 Apr 95 13:46 WET DST Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 13:46:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Gau To: CRSO.Amos@canrem.com Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: stdin/stdout In-Reply-To: <60.2092.6587.0C1D9EA3@canrem.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 5 Apr 1995, Mike Pelletier wrote: > Well, yes there are. And you can't write online games unless you use > stdin/stdout. Every language on the planet but amos can be easily ported to > bbs games because they use the stdin/stdout routinnes for input/output Okay, two ways: 1: Open In 1,"*" Open Out 2,"*":rem *** To/From CLI *** You'd then use something like Input$(1) to get CLI input and Print#2,BLAH$ to place output to the CLI. I've had problems with this method since I've had difficulties with bi-direction CLI communication. Maybe someone can get this method to work. 2: A$="*" Areg(1)=Varptr(A$) MYIO=Doscall(LVO("Open")) Then you use the contents of MYIO and use the following fragments to do IO: IN: inbuf$=space$(30) areg(1)=MYIO areg(2)=Varptr(inbuf$) dreg(0)=1 z=Doscall(LVO("Read")) OUT: outbuf$="Hello world" areg(1)=MYIO areg(2)=Varptr(outbuf$) z=Doscall(LVO("Write")) Finally, when you are done, you have to close the file: areg(1)=MYIO z=Doscall(LVO"Close") This might have left out an important detail but most of it is there. I apologize now for any missing info since this mail caught me away from my Amiga System Programmers' Handbook. I think Dreg(0) must be set to an access mode for the file in the Open command. Oh, yeah it does too. I don't know the numbers by heart either... drat. If you have the RKM look up "Interactive". That's the mode you want. This: Dreg(0)=Label("IsInteractive") will probably do it. ======================================================================== Gau of the Veldt "Draped in monster hides, eyes shining with intelligence. A youth surviving against all odds..." =====Internet: gau@vortex.netbistro.com================================= From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 5 14:27:06 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00760 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 14:27:03 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA13162 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 10:08:23 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13156 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 10:08:20 -0400 Received: from wn1.sci.kun.nl by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA29898 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 10:08:17 -0400 Received: from mpih17 by wn1.sci.kun.nl via mpih17.mpi.nl [192.87.79.57] with SMTP id QAA02329 (8.6.10/2.9) for ; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 16:08:14 +0200 Received: from mpipc31.mpi.nl by mpih17 (1.38.193.4/2.1) on NUNET id AA03809; Wed, 5 Apr 1995 16:08:23 +0200 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 16:11:49 PDT From: "Video-room antr. (606)" Subject: Re: Collision detection... To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 04 Apr 1995 20:39:15 -0500 (EST) M. Jeremy Trammell wrote: > I'm working on a game that is basically a side view fast action air- > -plane type game. My problem, is that the landscape below you is drawn (ie > it's just a picture...), and your plane is a bob. Any suggestions as to how > to detect collisions between the two? > > Some of my own ideas-> > > 1) One color is devoted entirely to the "sky" so I can check various points in > the background around yoyuur plane to see if they are "non-sky" colors....Thus > denoting a collision. > > 2) TAnother possibility is to have a special data file of some sorts that would > hold the altitude of any particular point of land... Checking the file against > your planes altitude would be a possibility. > > Both of theses methods have unsatisfactory side effects.... So any suggestions or > improvements would be welcome! > Since this is a really, frequently asked question I have had enough time to give it some thought. I came up with a solution that I have never tried, so you 'll risk typing in something totally worthless. My idea was to use reserved colours for the detectable background, then copy the reserved bitplanes of the background behind your plane to a second screen, make it a bob and put that bob on the playscreen. Now you should be able to do a bob collision test. Example char colour number status in ascii pic 0 0 non-mask colour . 4 non-detect background / 1 detectable background * 2 airplane bob start situation .......... ...***..// ......./// //..////// ////////// Now Screen Copy the first bitplane of the rectangle directly around your playing bob to a second screen: 00000 00000 00000 Make it a bob and put it back on the play-screen. .......... ...***..// ......./// //..////// ////////// It SHOULD be invisible. At this point it does not detect anything. However, if the plane moves forward it will collide with the 'hill'. This might not work. There are however a lot of game programmers here, so someone should be to help. Branko Collin bcollin@mpi.nl From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Apr 6 03:42:47 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA17115 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 03:42:44 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA14368 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 22:14:58 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA14364 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 22:14:56 -0400 Received: from bos1a.delphi.com by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02372 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 22:14:53 -0400 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) id <01HOZUNIFKFC8WXE7P@delphi.com>; Wed, 05 Apr 1995 22:14:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 1995 22:14:38 -0500 (EST) From: "M. Jeremy Trammell" Subject: Re: Collision Detection... To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <01HOZUNIFKFE8WXE7P@delphi.com> X-Vms-To: IN%"amos-list@access.digex.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: Branko, I like oyuyour colilision detection idea with creating a bob out of the "sky", biut\and for most cases I suspect that will work. However, for me I believe that would be impractical. Here's why. My background is an extremely wide strip of landscape (currently about 3 screens wide on lowres) Andand your plane flys along through it.As I  As I see it, touyour technique qould require me to consatantly remake the sky bob as your plane moves alon forward and you see different parts of the land... Any ideas? From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Apr 6 10:33:08 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA04116 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 10:33:04 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA05893 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 04:54:37 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA05887 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 04:54:36 -0400 Received: from ruucv1.chem.ruu.nl by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA19536 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 04:54:32 -0400 Received: from tc6.chem.ruu.nl by ruucv1.chem.ruu.nl (5.65/4.13) with SMTP id AA23891; Thu, 6 Apr 1995 10:54:31 +0200 Received: by tc6.chem.ruu.nl (1.37.109.4/4.31) id AA05079; Thu, 6 Apr 95 11:02:30 +0200 From: martijn@chem.ruu.nl (Martijn Wehrens, Utrecht) Message-Id: <9504060902.AA05079@tc6.chem.ruu.nl> Subject: sload To: amos-list@access.digex.net (Amos-Mailing-List) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 11:02:30 METDST Organisation: University Utrecht Reply: m.g.d.wehrens@chem.ruu.nl Reply-To: m.g.d.wehrens@chem.ruu.nl Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: O X-Status: Thanks Andy ! I don't know what I'd do without you. Are there any more such strange syntaxis-errors as the sload problem ? --------------------------------------------------------------- Martijn Wehrens, Theoretical Chemistry Group Utrecht University email m.g.d.wehrens@chem.ruu.nl --------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Apr 7 05:56:43 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21260 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 05:56:39 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA29180 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 02:44:38 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29174 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 02:44:36 -0400 Received: from freenet.calgary.ab.ca (srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.ca) by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA20203 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 02:44:34 -0400 Received: by freenet.calgary.ab.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA70772; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 00:38:43 -0600 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 00:38:43 -0600 Message-Id: <9504070638.AA70772@freenet.calgary.ab.ca> To: amos-list@access.digex.net X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.3 BETA X-Personal_Name: Luke Michalowski From: michalow@freenet.calgary.ab.ca Subject: Help me I'm stuck. Status: RO X-Status: I've just started prigramming in Amos. I can't figiure out how to make amos time something. For example i will type a sentece and it will tell me how long it took for me to type it. I have tried the timer command, but it doesn't seem to be working right. I have to put it in loop for it to time anything, but then I can't input anything. I'm using amos 1.36. Can anyone help me please. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Apr 7 10:07:16 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02855 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 10:07:13 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA01448 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 04:30:41 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01444 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 04:30:40 -0400 Received: from bos1a.delphi.com by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA07459 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 04:30:39 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) id <01HP1M70DYY894EZ7J@delphi.com>; Fri, 07 Apr 1995 04:30:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.50) id <9504070429.memo.47312@BIX.com>; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 04:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 1995 04:29:15 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Re: Collision Detection... To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9504070429.memo.47312@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.net Status: O X-Status: Screen copying a plane to a seperate screen (I don't think Screen Copy can even do just one plane can it? You'd have to use Get/Put Block), then Get Bobbing it, then bobbing that BACK onto the play screen would be amazingly slow. Though it's on the right track. What I have done successfully in the past, is after the bobs are cleared, and all that's on the logical screen is the background, do a Get Bob of a square just big enough for your ship right around the area the ship will be bobbed later that frame. Then after bobbing the ship, re-bob that little bit of background you grabbed right over top of the ship. It'll be invisible, and you just check for a collision to see if the ship hit any landscape. It has the added benefit that the ship will appear BEHIND any of the background it's colliding with. Though that still wouldn't be as fast as checking a list of altitudes, and the whole sky would have to be one color (zero). Seumas @ Dark Unicorn Productions (sfmcnally@bix.com) From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Apr 7 10:57:52 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA07855 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 10:57:18 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00236 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 06:48:30 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02939 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 06:35:58 -0400 Received: from bos1a.delphi.com by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA11236 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 06:35:57 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) id <01HP1QKFCU4W94EZ7J@delphi.com>; Fri, 07 Apr 1995 06:35:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.50) id <9504070634.memo.47549@BIX.com>; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 06:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 1995 06:34:21 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Re: Help me I'm stuck. To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9504070634.memo.47549@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.net Status: O X-Status: All you have to do is this: T=Timer (Do something that takes time) Print "Time taken (in 60ths of a second):";Timer-T Timer just keeps on going up, so if you save it's value at the start, then at the end the current value of Timer minus it's value at the start is how long it took. Seumas @ Dark Unicorn Productions (sfmcnally@bix.com) From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Apr 7 11:32:17 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA23899 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 11:32:13 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00216 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 06:46:16 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00212 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 06:46:15 -0400 Received: from mailbox.syr.EDU by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA23831 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 06:46:13 -0400 Received: from forbin.syr.edu by mailbox.syr.edu (8.6.9/SUM-V8-1.0) id GAA12441; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 06:46:23 -0400 Received: by forbin.syr.edu (5.x/Spike-2.0) id AA22856; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 06:46:09 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 06:46:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Wright X-Sender: tewright@forbin.syr.edu To: AMOS list Subject: Re: Help me I'm stuck. In-Reply-To: <9504070638.AA70772@freenet.calgary.ab.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: This is a quick example in AMOSPro, but I think it's the same for AMOS: T1=Timer Input "Input something: ";SOMETHING$ T2=Timer TIME=(T2-T1)/50 Print "It took ";TIME;" seconds to type in: ";SOMETHING$ TIME is assigned the difference between the clock values before and after your input, divided by 50 (Timer increments every 50th of a second), for the number of seconds elapsed. -======}=* Tim Wright - "Argh!" - tewright@mailbox.syr.edu *={======- From svcs1.digex.net!amos-request Fri Apr 7 09:20:07 1995 remote from earth Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by earth.usa.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA26297 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 09:19:34 -0600 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00216 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 06:46:16 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00212 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 06:46:15 -0400 Received: from mailbox.syr.EDU by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA23831 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 06:46:13 -0400 Received: from forbin.syr.edu by mailbox.syr.edu (8.6.9/SUM-V8-1.0) id GAA12441; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 06:46:23 -0400 Received: by forbin.syr.edu (5.x/Spike-2.0) id AA22856; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 06:46:09 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 06:46:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Wright X-Sender: tewright@forbin.syr.edu To: AMOS list Subject: Re: Help me I'm stuck. In-Reply-To: <9504070638.AA70772@freenet.calgary.ab.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: This is a quick example in AMOSPro, but I think it's the same for AMOS: T1=Timer Input "Input something: ";SOMETHING$ T2=Timer TIME=(T2-T1)/50 Print "It took ";TIME;" seconds to type in: ";SOMETHING$ TIME is assigned the difference between the clock values before and after your input, divided by 50 (Timer increments every 50th of a second), for the number of seconds elapsed. -======}=* Tim Wright - "Argh!" - tewright@mailbox.syr.edu *={======- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Apr 7 14:36:56 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA06425 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 14:36:52 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA07735 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 11:38:45 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AB07731 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 11:38:43 -0400 Received: from coyote.rain.org by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA10543 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 11:38:38 -0400 Received: by coyote.rain.org(8.6.10/RAIN-1.0) with id IAA28422 for on Fri, 7 Apr 1995 08:33:47 -0700 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 08:33:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Yarg Niquoj To: michalow@freenet.calgary.ab.ca Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Help me I'm stuck. In-Reply-To: <9504070638.AA70772@freenet.calgary.ab.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 7 Apr 1995 michalow@freenet.calgary.ab.ca wrote: > I can't figiure out how to make amos time something. > For example i will type a sentece and it will tell me how long it took for me > to type it. I have tried the timer command, but it doesn't seem to be working > right. I have to put it in loop for it to time anything, but then I can't input > anything. I'm using amos 1.36. Can anyone help me please. T=TIMER INPUT A$ PRINT "You took "+TIMER-T+" ticks to type that." Doc From svcs1.digex.net!amos-request Fri Apr 7 15:12:28 1995 remote from earth Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by earth.usa.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id PAA05533 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 15:12:24 -0600 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA07735 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 11:38:45 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AB07731 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 11:38:43 -0400 Received: from coyote.rain.org by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA10543 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 11:38:38 -0400 Received: by coyote.rain.org(8.6.10/RAIN-1.0) with id IAA28422 for on Fri, 7 Apr 1995 08:33:47 -0700 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 08:33:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Yarg Niquoj To: earth!freenet.calgary.ab.ca!michalow Cc: earth!access.digex.net!amos-list Subject: Re: Help me I'm stuck. In-Reply-To: <9504070638.AA70772@freenet.calgary.ab.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 7 Apr 1995 michalow@freenet.calgary.ab.ca wrote: > I can't figiure out how to make amos time something. > For example i will type a sentece and it will tell me how long it took for me > to type it. I have tried the timer command, but it doesn't seem to be working > right. I have to put it in loop for it to time anything, but then I can't input > anything. I'm using amos 1.36. Can anyone help me please. T=TIMER INPUT A$ PRINT "You took "+TIMER-T+" ticks to type that." Doc From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Apr 7 18:24:22 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08047 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 18:24:20 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA14267 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 13:53:51 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA14263 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 13:53:48 -0400 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA20005 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 13:53:46 -0400 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA150947225; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 13:53:45 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 13:53:45 -0400 From: Begust@aol.com Message-Id: <950407135338_75234564@aol.com> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Help me I'm stuck. Status: O X-Status: > I can't figiure out how to make amos time something. > For example i will type a sentece and it will tell me how long it took for me > to type it. I have tried the timer command, but it doesn't seem to be working > right. I have to put it in loop for it to time anything, but then I can't input > anything. I'm using amos 1.36. Can anyone help me please. TIMER=0 INPUT A$ PRINT "You took ";TIMER;" ticks to type that." Timer can be set to zero, I often use this to check the seed of loops. Brad G. From svcs1.digex.net!amos-request Fri Apr 7 16:16:10 1995 remote from earth Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by earth.usa.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id QAA18838 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 16:15:38 -0600 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA14267 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 13:53:51 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA14263 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 13:53:48 -0400 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA20005 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 13:53:46 -0400 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA150947225; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 13:53:45 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 13:53:45 -0400 From: earth!aol.com!Begust Message-Id: <950407135338_75234564@aol.com> To: earth!access.digex.net!amos-list Subject: Re: Help me I'm stuck. Status: O X-Status: > I can't figiure out how to make amos time something. > For example i will type a sentece and it will tell me how long it took for me > to type it. I have tried the timer command, but it doesn't seem to be working > right. I have to put it in loop for it to time anything, but then I can't input > anything. I'm using amos 1.36. Can anyone help me please. TIMER=0 INPUT A$ PRINT "You took ";TIMER;" ticks to type that." Timer can be set to zero, I often use this to check the seed of loops. Brad G. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Apr 7 18:53:10 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA09819 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 18:53:06 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00234 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 15:07:33 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00230 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 15:07:31 -0400 Received: from vortex.netbistro.com by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA10898 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 15:07:30 -0400 Received: by vortex.netbistro.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #11) id m0rxJNL-000LTXC; Fri, 7 Apr 95 12:07 WET DST Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 12:07:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Gau To: michalow@freenet.calgary.ab.ca Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Help me I'm stuck. In-Reply-To: <9504070638.AA70772@freenet.calgary.ab.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 7 Apr 1995 michalow@freenet.calgary.ab.ca wrote: > I've just started prigramming in Amos. > I can't figiure out how to make amos time something. > For example i will type a sentece and it will tell me how long it took for me > to type it. I have tried the timer command, but it doesn't seem to be working > right. I have to put it in loop for it to time anything, but then I can't input > anything. I'm using amos 1.36. Can anyone help me please. To use AMOS's Timer command: OLDTIME=Timer --- Something that takes time --- NEWTIME=Timer TIMEITTOOK=NEWTIME-OLDTIME ======================================================================== Gau of the Veldt "Draped in monster hides, eyes shining with intelligence. A youth surviving against all odds..." =====Internet: gau@vortex.netbistro.com================================= From svcs1.digex.net!amos-request Fri Apr 7 16:45:32 1995 remote from earth Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by earth.usa.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id QAA24929 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 1995 16:45:28 -0600 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00234 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 15:07:33 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00230 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 15:07:31 -0400 Received: from vortex.netbistro.com by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA10898 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 15:07:30 -0400 Received: by vortex.netbistro.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #11) id m0rxJNL-000LTXC; Fri, 7 Apr 95 12:07 WET DST Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 12:07:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Gau To: earth!freenet.calgary.ab.ca!michalow Cc: earth!access.digex.net!amos-list Subject: Re: Help me I'm stuck. In-Reply-To: <9504070638.AA70772@freenet.calgary.ab.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 7 Apr 1995 michalow@freenet.calgary.ab.ca wrote: > I've just started prigramming in Amos. > I can't figiure out how to make amos time something. > For example i will type a sentece and it will tell me how long it took for me > to type it. I have tried the timer command, but it doesn't seem to be working > right. I have to put it in loop for it to time anything, but then I can't input > anything. I'm using amos 1.36. Can anyone help me please. To use AMOS's Timer command: OLDTIME=Timer --- Something that takes time --- NEWTIME=Timer TIMEITTOOK=NEWTIME-OLDTIME ======================================================================== Gau of the Veldt "Draped in monster hides, eyes shining with intelligence. A youth surviving against all odds..." =====Internet: gau@vortex.netbistro.com================================= From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Apr 8 13:34:54 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA14962 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 13:34:52 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA09561 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:24:41 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA09557 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:24:39 -0400 Received: from goober.mbhs.edu by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA06282 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:24:05 -0400 Received: from dragon.mbhs.edu by goober.mbhs.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA20364; Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:25:50 -0400 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:25:50 -0400 Message-Id: <9504081325.AA20364@goober.mbhs.edu> From: achurch@dragon.mbhs.edu (Andy Church) To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: stdin/stdout Reply-To: achurch@goober.mbhs.edu X-Mailer: MMail v4.20 Status: O X-Status: > 2: If you use this, you need to make the changes indicated below: Old New --- --- A$="*" Areg(1)=Varptr(A$) Dreg(1)=Varptr(A$) Dreg(2)=1005 MYIO=Doscall(LVO("Open")) (or) MYIO=Doscall(-30) > Then you use the contents of MYIO and use the following fragments > to do IO: IN: inbuf$=space$(30) areg(1)=MYIO Dreg(1)=MYIO areg(2)=Varptr(inbuf$) Dreg(2)=Varptr(INBUF$) dreg(0)=1 Dreg(3)=Len(INBUF$) z=Doscall(LVO("Read")) (or) z=Doscall(-42) OUT: outbuf$="Hello world" areg(1)=MYIO Dreg(1)=MYIO areg(2)=Varptr(outbuf$) Dreg(2)=Varptr(OUTBUF$) Dreg(3)=Len(OUTBUF$) z=Doscall(LVO("Write")) (or) z=Doscall(-48) > Finally, when you are done, you have to close the file: areg(1)=MYIO Dreg(1)=MYIO z=Doscall(LVO"Close") z=Doscall(LVO("Close")) (or) z=Doscall(-36) >I don't know the numbers by heart either... drat. If you have the RKM >look up "Interactive". That's the mode you want. > >This: Dreg(0)=Label("IsInteractive") will probably do it. No - IsInteractive is a function that returns whether a file is interactive (e.g. a Shell window). The mode, as shown above, is 1005 (AmigaDOS's MODE_OLDFILE). --Andy Church (achurch@goober.mbhs.edu) WWW: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/ AMOS Web Site: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/amos/ From svcs1.digex.net!amos-request Sat Apr 8 11:25:57 1995 remote from earth Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by earth.usa.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id LAA13008 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 1995 11:25:48 -0600 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA09561 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:24:41 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA09557 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:24:39 -0400 Received: from goober.mbhs.edu by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA06282 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:24:05 -0400 Received: from dragon.mbhs.edu by goober.mbhs.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA20364; Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:25:50 -0400 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:25:50 -0400 Message-Id: <9504081325.AA20364@goober.mbhs.edu> From: earth!dragon.mbhs.edu!achurch (Andy Church) To: earth!access.digex.net!amos-list Subject: Re: stdin/stdout Reply-To: earth!goober.mbhs.edu!achurch X-Mailer: MMail v4.20 Status: O X-Status: > 2: If you use this, you need to make the changes indicated below: Old New --- --- A$="*" Areg(1)=Varptr(A$) Dreg(1)=Varptr(A$) Dreg(2)=1005 MYIO=Doscall(LVO("Open")) (or) MYIO=Doscall(-30) > Then you use the contents of MYIO and use the following fragments > to do IO: IN: inbuf$=space$(30) areg(1)=MYIO Dreg(1)=MYIO areg(2)=Varptr(inbuf$) Dreg(2)=Varptr(INBUF$) dreg(0)=1 Dreg(3)=Len(INBUF$) z=Doscall(LVO("Read")) (or) z=Doscall(-42) OUT: outbuf$="Hello world" areg(1)=MYIO Dreg(1)=MYIO areg(2)=Varptr(outbuf$) Dreg(2)=Varptr(OUTBUF$) Dreg(3)=Len(OUTBUF$) z=Doscall(LVO("Write")) (or) z=Doscall(-48) > Finally, when you are done, you have to close the file: areg(1)=MYIO Dreg(1)=MYIO z=Doscall(LVO"Close") z=Doscall(LVO("Close")) (or) z=Doscall(-36) >I don't know the numbers by heart either... drat. If you have the RKM >look up "Interactive". That's the mode you want. > >This: Dreg(0)=Label("IsInteractive") will probably do it. No - IsInteractive is a function that returns whether a file is interactive (e.g. a Shell window). The mode, as shown above, is 1005 (AmigaDOS's MODE_OLDFILE). --Andy Church (achurch@goober.mbhs.edu) WWW: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/ AMOS Web Site: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/amos/ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Apr 8 13:51:37 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA15511 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 13:51:35 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA09690 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:34:23 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA09685 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:34:22 -0400 Received: from goober.mbhs.edu by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA06469 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:34:20 -0400 Received: from dragon.mbhs.edu by goober.mbhs.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22547; Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:36:05 -0400 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:36:05 -0400 Message-Id: <9504081336.AA22547@goober.mbhs.edu> From: achurch@dragon.mbhs.edu (Andy Church) To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Help me I'm stuck. Reply-To: achurch@goober.mbhs.edu X-Mailer: MMail v4.20 Status: O X-Status: >I've just started prigramming in Amos. >I can't figiure out how to make amos time something. >For example i will type a sentece and it will tell me how long it took for >me to type it. I have tried the timer command, but it doesn't seem to be >working right. I have to put it in loop for it to time anything, but then >I can't input anything. I'm using amos 1.36. Can anyone help me please. If anyone's confused about whether Timer is in 60ths or 50ths of a second, here's the explanation: Timer is incremented by one every "vertical blank", also called a "tick" in AMOS - every time the monitor's electron beam returns to the blank area at the top of the screen. On NTSC systems, this occurs 60 times a second; on PAL systems, it's 50 times a second. To figure out which system you're running on and adjust your timing routines accordingly, use this code: If Ntsc TICKS_PER_SECOND=60 Else TICKS_PER_SECOND=50 End If .. T=Timer .. SECS=(Timer-T)/TICKS_PER_SECOND There is one possible problem that will occur: if the user has an NTSC system but is using a PAL screen (or has a PAL system and is using an NTSC screen) then the timing will be thrown off. There's no way I know of to detect this. If you want to force a screen mode so that you know your timing will be right, use one of these: Doke $DFF1DC,$20 : Rem Set to PAL mode Doke $DFF1DC,0 : Rem Set to NTSC mode Note that these will not work on OCS systems, and may produce undesirable results if a non-NTSC, non-PAL screen mode (e.g. Super72) is in use. --Andy Church (achurch@goober.mbhs.edu) WWW: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/ AMOS Web Site: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/amos/ From svcs1.digex.net!amos-request Sat Apr 8 11:44:31 1995 remote from earth Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by earth.usa.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id LAA15200 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 1995 11:44:28 -0600 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA09690 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:34:23 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA09685 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:34:22 -0400 Received: from goober.mbhs.edu by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA06469 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:34:20 -0400 Received: from dragon.mbhs.edu by goober.mbhs.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22547; Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:36:05 -0400 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 09:36:05 -0400 Message-Id: <9504081336.AA22547@goober.mbhs.edu> From: earth!dragon.mbhs.edu!achurch (Andy Church) To: earth!access.digex.net!amos-list Subject: Re: Help me I'm stuck. Reply-To: earth!goober.mbhs.edu!achurch X-Mailer: MMail v4.20 Status: O X-Status: >I've just started prigramming in Amos. >I can't figiure out how to make amos time something. >For example i will type a sentece and it will tell me how long it took for >me to type it. I have tried the timer command, but it doesn't seem to be >working right. I have to put it in loop for it to time anything, but then >I can't input anything. I'm using amos 1.36. Can anyone help me please. If anyone's confused about whether Timer is in 60ths or 50ths of a second, here's the explanation: Timer is incremented by one every "vertical blank", also called a "tick" in AMOS - every time the monitor's electron beam returns to the blank area at the top of the screen. On NTSC systems, this occurs 60 times a second; on PAL systems, it's 50 times a second. To figure out which system you're running on and adjust your timing routines accordingly, use this code: If Ntsc TICKS_PER_SECOND=60 Else TICKS_PER_SECOND=50 End If .. T=Timer .. SECS=(Timer-T)/TICKS_PER_SECOND There is one possible problem that will occur: if the user has an NTSC system but is using a PAL screen (or has a PAL system and is using an NTSC screen) then the timing will be thrown off. There's no way I know of to detect this. If you want to force a screen mode so that you know your timing will be right, use one of these: Doke $DFF1DC,$20 : Rem Set to PAL mode Doke $DFF1DC,0 : Rem Set to NTSC mode Note that these will not work on OCS systems, and may produce undesirable results if a non-NTSC, non-PAL screen mode (e.g. Super72) is in use. --Andy Church (achurch@goober.mbhs.edu) WWW: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/ AMOS Web Site: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/amos/ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Apr 8 14:16:04 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA13706 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 14:16:03 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA11000 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 11:04:01 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA10996 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 11:04:00 -0400 Received: from seraph.uunet.ca (uunet.ca) by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA10628 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 11:03:58 -0400 Received: from portnoy.canrem.com ([198.133.42.17]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <202217-2>; Sat, 8 Apr 1995 11:05:10 -0400 Received: from canrem.com by portnoy.canrem.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11094; Sat, 8 Apr 95 11:00:19 EDT Received: by canrem.com (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id 1DA9F3; Sat, 8 Apr 95 10:57:49 -0500 To: amos-list@access.digex.net Reply-To: CRSO.Amos@canrem.com Sender: CRSO.Amos@canrem.com Subject: Re: stdin/stdout From: mike.pelletier@canrem.com (Mike Pelletier) Message-Id: <60.2113.6587.0C1DA9F3@canrem.com> In-Reply-To: <9504081318.AA16686@goober.mbhs.edu> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 11:54:00 -0400 Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Status: O X-Status: Your procedures were: Procedure STDOUT[A$] FILE=Doscall(-60) : Rem Get stdout file handle If FILE : Rem Only do this if we have a stdout Dreg(1)=FILE Dreg(2)=Varptr(A$) Dreg(3)=Len(A$) DUMMY=Doscall(-48) End If End Proc The stdout works fine Procedure STDIN_CHAR FILE=Doscall(-54) If FILE C$=" " Dreg(1)=FILE Dreg(2)=Varptr(C$) Dreg(3)=1 N=Doscall(-42) If N=0 : Rem Check for EOF C$="" End If Else C$="" End If End Proc[C$] stdin char works ok the first time, then skips if called a second time in the program Procedure STDIN_LINE FILE=Doscall(-54) If FILE A$=" " STDIN_CHAR : C$=Param$ While C$<>Chr$(13) and Len(C$)>0 : Rem chr$(13) A$=A$+C$ STDIN_CHAR : C$=Param$ Wend Else A$="" End If End Proc[A$] stdin line seems to work (but chr$(13) isn't the terminator that worked, I had to change it to chr$(10)) but the first charater is replaced by the second. "fred" shows up as "rred" Well met and godspeed, Giark From svcs1.digex.net!amos-request Sat Apr 8 12:08:15 1995 remote from earth Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by earth.usa.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id MAA18740 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 1995 12:08:12 -0600 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA11000 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 11:04:01 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA10996 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 11:04:00 -0400 Received: from seraph.uunet.ca (uunet.ca) by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA10628 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 11:03:58 -0400 Received: from portnoy.canrem.com ([198.133.42.17]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <202217-2>; Sat, 8 Apr 1995 11:05:10 -0400 Received: from canrem.com by portnoy.canrem.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11094; Sat, 8 Apr 95 11:00:19 EDT Received: by canrem.com (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id 1DA9F3; Sat, 8 Apr 95 10:57:49 -0500 To: earth!access.digex.net!amos-list Reply-To: earth!canrem.com!CRSO.Amos Sender: earth!canrem.com!CRSO.Amos Subject: Re: stdin/stdout From: earth!canrem.com!mike.pelletier (Mike Pelletier) Message-Id: <60.2113.6587.0C1DA9F3@canrem.com> In-Reply-To: <9504081318.AA16686@goober.mbhs.edu> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 11:54:00 -0400 Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Status: O X-Status: Your procedures were: Procedure STDOUT[A$] FILE=Doscall(-60) : Rem Get stdout file handle If FILE : Rem Only do this if we have a stdout Dreg(1)=FILE Dreg(2)=Varptr(A$) Dreg(3)=Len(A$) DUMMY=Doscall(-48) End If End Proc The stdout works fine Procedure STDIN_CHAR FILE=Doscall(-54) If FILE C$=" " Dreg(1)=FILE Dreg(2)=Varptr(C$) Dreg(3)=1 N=Doscall(-42) If N=0 : Rem Check for EOF C$="" End If Else C$="" End If End Proc[C$] stdin char works ok the first time, then skips if called a second time in the program Procedure STDIN_LINE FILE=Doscall(-54) If FILE A$=" " STDIN_CHAR : C$=Param$ While C$<>Chr$(13) and Len(C$)>0 : Rem chr$(13) A$=A$+C$ STDIN_CHAR : C$=Param$ Wend Else A$="" End If End Proc[A$] stdin line seems to work (but chr$(13) isn't the terminator that worked, I had to change it to chr$(10)) but the first charater is replaced by the second. "fred" shows up as "rred" Well met and godspeed, Giark From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Apr 8 18:17:20 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA23528 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 18:17:19 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA19932 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 15:54:19 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA19928 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 15:54:17 -0400 Received: from bos1b.delphi.com by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA17018 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 15:54:16 -0400 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) id <01HP3OAO76KW91Z1XM@delphi.com>; Sat, 08 Apr 1995 15:54:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 1995 15:54:06 -0500 (EST) From: "M. Jeremy Trammell" Subject: Hardcol() To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <01HP3OAO76KY91Z1XM@delphi.com> X-Vms-To: IN%"amos-list@access.digex.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO X-Status: Hi there Darryl! I've tried HardCol() with *very* limited success. It seems to enjoy crashing my computer. Does anybody here know how to use it? I can't even find it in any of my documentation... From svcs1.digex.net!amos-request Sat Apr 8 16:10:26 1995 remote from earth Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by earth.usa.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id QAA20553 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 1995 16:10:24 -0600 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA19932 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 15:54:19 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA19928 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 15:54:17 -0400 Received: from bos1b.delphi.com by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA17018 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 15:54:16 -0400 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) id <01HP3OAO76KW91Z1XM@delphi.com>; Sat, 08 Apr 1995 15:54:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 1995 15:54:06 -0500 (EST) From: "M. Jeremy Trammell" Subject: Hardcol() To: earth!access.digex.net!amos-list Message-Id: <01HP3OAO76KY91Z1XM@delphi.com> X-Vms-To: IN%"amos-list@access.digex.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O X-Status: Hi there Darryl! I've tried HardCol() with *very* limited success. It seems to enjoy crashing my computer. Does anybody here know how to use it? I can't even find it in any of my documentation... From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Apr 10 09:39:15 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA08624 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 09:39:13 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA10244 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 03:53:36 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA10240 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 03:53:34 -0400 Received: from eros.Britain.EU.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA27773 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 03:53:29 -0400 Received: from eurotherm.co.uk by eros.britain.eu.net with UUCP id ; Mon, 10 Apr 1995 08:52:01 +0100 Address: Faraday Close, Durrington, Worthing, W.Sussex, BN13 3PL, England. Phone: +44 903 268500 Fax: +44 903 265982 Received: from keeper.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by chough.controls.eurotherm.co.uk; Mon, 10 Apr 95 07:23:58 GMT Received: from chough.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by keeper.eurotherm.co.uk; Mon, 10 Apr 95 07:22:36 GMT Received: from osprey.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by chough.controls.eurotherm.co.uk; Mon, 10 Apr 95 07:23:55 GMT Message-Id: <3878.9504100723@osprey.controls.eurotherm.co.uk> Received: from dab.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by osprey.controls.eurotherm.co.uk; Mon, 10 Apr 95 07:23:53 GMT Sender: paulhi From: Paul Hickman Organization: Eurotherm Controls Limited To: tonys@ccsnet.com Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 08:24:28 0 Subject: Re: EasyLife v1.10 on Aminet Reply-To: paul.hickman@ecl.etherm.co.uk Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Status: O X-Status: > From: tonys@ccsnet.com > To: paul.hickman%ecl.etherm.co.uk%uunet@uunet.uu.net > Subject: Re: EasyLife v1.10 on Aminet > Organization: > Date: Thu, 06 Apr 95 00:38:52 EST > > > IN>Summary of reported problems with Easylife V1.10 > IN>> > > IN>> > The EasyLife extension you uploaded to Aminet is actually v1.09 when > IN>> > installed and you look at the loaded extension info from the editor is > IN>> > says it is v1.09 > > I would just like to know why anyone would use EasyLife? > > I've been looking at nothing but AmigaGuides for three days and I still > can't find one straightforeward reason to use it. > > I'm not being sarcastic; I'd just like to know what people do with it. > > All I want is for my AMOSPro to run AGA screens. Why is that so much to > ask???? > Then try using the intuition extension - easylife is intended to make the backbone of programs such as storing all your data in structured variables much easier, and leaves the flashy graphics effects to someone else. If you can't find a reason to use it - DON'T. > -------------------------------------------------------- WORK: Eurotherm Controls, Worthing Email: paul.hickman@controls.eurotherm.co.uk UNIVERSITY: Imperial College, London Email: ph@doc.ic.ac.uk -------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Apr 10 10:49:16 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA13495 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 10:49:12 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA17256 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 06:14:46 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA17251 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 06:14:44 -0400 Received: from iesd.auc.dk by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA02389 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 06:14:16 -0400 Received: from lebesgue.iesd.auc.dk (dux@lebesgue.iesd.auc.dk [130.225.48.120]) by iesd.auc.dk (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA16876; Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:14:07 +0200 From: Frank Busborg Received: from localhost (dux@localhost) by lebesgue.iesd.auc.dk (8.6.4/8.6.4) id MAA10277; Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:14:01 +0200 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:14:01 +0200 Message-Id: <199504101014.MAA10277@lebesgue.iesd.auc.dk> To: pt94emu@pt.hk-r.se Subject: Re: VGA MONITOR Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net, dux@iesd.auc.dk Status: RO X-Status: Hi! I've just read your mail about the monitoradapter: > From: Frank Busborg > I recently heard of the possibility to connect a SVGA monitor to > your amiga 1200/4000 with the help of an adapter. > This made be able to display flickerfree modes in my workbench > on my new 15 inches SVGA monitor. It is wonderful. > > However, when I program in amos and open new screens like > > Screen Open 1,640,512,16,Laced+hires > > ofcause the screen will be laced (laced+hires). > > Is there a way to open a flickerfree 640*512 hires screen noninterlaced > in Amos? I would appreciate any help! > > Dux. I bought an adapter like that one month ago, but I couldn't get it to work properly. How did you do? What drivers did you load & how did you configure them? Does this adapter work with all monitors? When I connect my A1200 to my 14" IMB SVGA-monitor, I just get a bad, greenish screen, with lines all over it. Please HELP me! (Im not as desperate as it sounds, though :), I got a 1084S too) Thank's in advance. Edin Mujkanovic ( pt94emu@pt.hk-r.se ) ----- End Included Message ----- Hello there Edin Mujkanovic. I am sorry that it took some time for me to write back, but I have had some vacation and therefore have not read my mail for some time. I guess the adapter I bought works equally well on all VGA-monitors. But it is merely a way to connect my amiga to the monitor-cable ( I think it converts the 23-leg cable to a 15-leg cable). I have set up my workbench with the resolution Multiscan:Productivity 640*480. It works great and looks really nice. I Have an Amiga 1200 too. But however I admit I wrote the article before I received my new monitor - I just wanted everything to work when I got it. And unfortunately I must also admit that it only works perfectly with my workbenck and other programs from which I can choose the screen resolution. This means that I have now found myself unable to work with Amos Pro since it operates in low-resolution. What do you do? I read the in Preferences in Icontrol - the mode promoter should convert the low frequencies into high frequencies (i.e. VGA or something). But this does not seem to work very well - anyway it does not solve my problem with Amos Pro (I am desperate). SO I guess we both share this mutual problem or what? I suggest that we work on this case together and whatever we find out we share with eachother - do you agree ? (mate?) Please write me back and comment this letter - do you have any suggestions to me how to make me Able to use Amos Pro on my VGA monitor? See you - The best regards form Dux. N.B. I also sent this letter to the Amos Mailing list I thought there might be some wise and expericenced people out there with the right answers - then please mail me. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Apr 10 12:06:26 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA18316 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:05:51 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA22078 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 08:46:06 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA22074 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 08:46:03 -0400 Received: from dc.hb.se (mayday.dc.hb.se) by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA06094 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 08:46:00 -0400 Received: from utb.shv.hb.se (ewa.shv.hb.se) by dc.hb.se (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA03443; Mon, 10 Apr 95 14:44:08 +0200 Received: from EWA/SpoolDir by utb.shv.hb.se (Mercury 1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 95 14:46:48 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by EWA (Mercury 1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 95 14:46:38 +0100 From: "Marco Eberhardt" Organization: University of Boras To: michalow@freenet.calgary.ab.ca, Amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 14:46:35 MET-1MEST Subject: Re: Help me I'm stuck. Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <4DEF0945AF@utb.shv.hb.se> Status: RO X-Status: Michalow wrote: > I've just started prigramming in Amos. > I can't figiure out how to make amos time something. > For example i will type a sentece and it will tell me how long it took for me > to type it. I have tried the timer command, but it doesn't seem to be working > right. I have to put it in loop for it to time anything, but then I can't input > anything. I'm using amos 1.36. Can anyone help me please. Well... try somthing like this, hope that this is what you want: (This come directly from my mind) ' Randomize Timer Locate 1,1 : Rem Change this... now it's upperleft corner! Do While K$="" K$=Inkey$ : Rem Read the keyboard! Wend Text$=Text$+K$ If K$=Chr$(13) Then Exit Loop T=(Timer/3600) Locate 1,3 : Print "Tid :";T End If the maths aroud timer is correct, i don't know... but the other shoud be ok! Try it, and tell me, if i'm wrong! Good Luck! /Marco. ********************************************************************* * Martial Arts makes life worth living :-)) * ********************************************************************* * The Place To Be Happy Is Here * * The Time To Be Happy Is Now * * The Way To Be Happy Is To Make Others So! * ********************************************************************* * E-MAIL ME: SA437@UTB.SHV.HB.SE * ********************************************************************* From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Apr 10 15:36:53 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA14696 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 15:36:42 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02840 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 11:28:30 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02834 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 11:28:27 -0400 Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA28029 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 11:28:14 -0400 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 16:24:51 +0100 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI) id QAA10324; Mon, 10 Apr 1995 16:28:07 +0100 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 16:28:06 +0100 (BST) From: David Hollway X-Sender: dmh11@tower.york.ac.uk To: amos-list@access.digex.net Cc: dux@iesd.auc.dk Subject: Re: VGA MONITOR In-Reply-To: <199504101014.MAA10277@lebesgue.iesd.auc.dk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Mon, 10 Apr 1995, dux wrote to the amos-list: > Hi! [stuff deleted to save bandwidth] > > I guess the adapter I bought works equally well on all VGA-monitors. > But it is merely a way to connect my amiga to the monitor-cable ( I think > it converts the 23-leg cable to a 15-leg cable). I don't know whether anyon'es already anwered this one, but I thought I'd make an attempt to clarify this matter! The "adaptor" referred to is, I guess, the C= 23pin->15pin one (or its equivalent). This simply converts the Amiga's 23-pin RGB output into a 15-pin VGA pin-out, with a chip added to "tweak" the signal slightly. The adaptor will connect to any monitor that has a VGA plug; that is to say, it's non monitor-specific. Whether it'll WORK with the monitor is another matter, more of that in a moment.. > I have set up my workbench with the resolution Multiscan:Productivity 640*480. > It works great and looks really nice. I Have an Amiga 1200 too. > But however I admit I wrote the article before I received my new monitor - > I just wanted everything to work when I got it. And unfortunately I must also > admit that it only works perfectly with my workbenck and other programs from > which I can choose the screen resolution. > Up until the release of the ECS and Workbench 2.0, all Amiga screenmodes had a horizontal resolution of ~15KHz (vert. resolutions of 50Hz PAL or 60Hz NTSC). WB2.04 and above offers several screenmodes that have a higher horizontal resolution, for example "Productivity" "DBLPal" and so on; these modes require AGA (although some work with ECS). Most cheap PC monitors (S/VGA) can't display 15KHz modes, which means that although your A1200+adaptor can use these monitors, providing Workbench is told to use the new screenmodes, you won't be able to view games or the "Early Startup Screens", which use 15KHz modes (Lowres, Highres, etc). That's probably the cause of a corrupted display when you connect an SVGA monitor to an A1200.. it's attempting (and failing)( to handle a 15KHz mode. > This means that I have now found myself unable to work with Amos Pro since > it operates in low-resolution. What do you do? > I read the in Preferences in Icontrol - the mode promoter should convert > the low frequencies into high frequencies (i.e. VGA or something). > But this does not seem to work very well - anyway it does not > solve my problem with Amos Pro (I am desperate). Commodore provided the "Mode Promotion" feature to enable people to use more software with non-15KHz modes. Basically, when modeP is activated, and a program (eg SysInfo) asks the O/S for a 15KHz new screen, the O/S opens a screen in one of the new modes. This works well, but *only for OS legal software*. Things like AMOSPro or games that use their own screen-opening routines ignore modeP altogether. Annoying, huh? > suggestions to me how to make me Able to use Amos Pro on my VGA monitor? Unfortunately not. All I can suggest is: a) keep a TV hooked to the RF port of your A1200 for games, AMOS Pro etc that insist on opening ugly 15KHz screens b) buy a monitor that can handle 15KHz screenmodes.. these include: C=1940, C=1942, C=1950, C=1960, Microvitec 1438, Microvitec 1440, and possibly one or two more that I haven't heard about. I use a 1950 myself and I'm very pleased with it. I'm sorry if this isn't the ideal solution for you.. blame Francois Lionet for not making AMOS more system-friendly :-( > N.B. I also sent this letter to the Amos Mailing list > I thought there might be some wise and expericenced people out > there with the right answers - then please mail me. I hope my answers are of help to you. I copied this to the amos-list too, because I thought the info above might interest others.. Regards, David Hollway. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Hollway (dmh11@tower.york.ac.uk) | //Amiga 4000-040-SCSI-CDROM-PII- Dept. of Computer Science, University of | \X/840MB "Amiga - Why Compromise?" York, York YO1 5DD, ENGLAND. | In Basel, Switzerland until 06/95 WWW Home: http://www.york.ac.uk/~dmh11/ | Tel: (010) (+41) 61 6975460 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Apr 10 17:57:43 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA14333 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 17:57:40 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA12171 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:54:11 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA12167 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:54:09 -0400 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA21302 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:54:08 -0400 Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA272162842; Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:54:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:54:02 -0400 From: Begust@aol.com Message-Id: <950410124703_78132577@aol.com> To: dux@iesd.auc.dk, pt94emu@pt.hk-r.se Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: VGA MONITOR Status: O X-Status: >N.B. I also sent this letter to the Amos Mailing list >I thought there might be some wise and expericenced people out >there with the right answers - then please mail me. > Greetings: I have been using an AM1200, video adapter, and a 1942 monitor for about 1 year now, so I thought you might like to hear what I've learned. Your correct in saying that all the adapter doe's is allow you to plug a 15 pin IBM type monitor into your Amiga. It doe's nothing to adjust the video sync rate. An ECS/AGA Amiga can operate at many different video sync rates. The most important being NTSC/PAL, DBLNTSC/DBLNTSC, AND MULTISYNC which have horizontal sync rates of 15khz, 27khz, and 31khz respectfully. The higher the horizontal sync rate the more rows per screen with less flicker. The default sync rate for all Amigas is 15khz (why, I do not know) so you need a monitor capable of syncing to this rate, most IBM multisyncs will not produce this sync rate. you need a monitor that can produce a horizontal sync rate from 15khz up to 33khz. The 1942 and 1960 can do this. Your biggest problem will be that Amos operates so far out side the Amiga operating system that no part of 2.0 or 3.0 preferences will have an effect on what video mode Amos operates. Amos pokes the Amiga chip set to produce the default video mode (15khz) only. If I'm way out on the deep end with this please mail back a specific question and I'll try to answer it. Brad G. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Apr 10 21:29:46 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA26177 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 21:29:42 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA25259 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 15:05:21 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA25253 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 15:05:15 -0400 Received: from freenet.calgary.ab.ca (srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.ca) by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA01699 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 15:05:12 -0400 Received: from srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.ca by freenet.calgary.ab.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA20939; Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:59:15 -0600 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:59:15 -0600 (MDT) From: "Luke L. Michalowski" To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Thank you Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Thanks to all the people that helped me with the Timer command. I've finished my program, and I'll make sure to include all the names of people that helped me start it. Thank you very much. Luke :) From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Apr 11 10:50:40 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA11649 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 10:50:37 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA24506 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 05:37:28 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA24498 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 05:37:22 -0400 Received: from varano.ing.unico.it by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA23121 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 05:36:51 -0400 Received: by varano.ing.unico.it (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA02705; Tue, 11 Apr 1995 10:12:37 +0200 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 10:12:37 +0200 (MET DST) From: MeF Subject: Re: EasyLife v1.10 on Aminet To: Paul Hickman Cc: tonys@ccsnet.com, amos-list@access.digex.net In-Reply-To: <3878.9504100723@osprey.controls.eurotherm.co.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: > > I would just like to know why anyone would use EasyLife? I use EasyLife for my programs! > > I've been looking at nothing but AmigaGuides for three days and I still > > can't find one straightforeward reason to use it. Are you sure you can program in a decent way? > > I'm not being sarcastic; I'd just like to know what people do with it. Well, if you tryed to make something quite complicated in your program you'd find that easylife is very useful. Some commands are also the basis in some of my programs. I could have obtained the same results with lots of our of work, complicating the code very much and making the size of the program a lot bigger. I.e. MultiZones are VERY useful! > > All I want is for my AMOSPro to run AGA screens. Why is that so much to > > ask???? As AMOS is not a OS legal program I think it would require a complete rewrite of the code. > Then try using the intuition extension - easylife is intended to make > the backbone of programs such as storing all your data in structured > variables much easier, and leaves the flashy graphics effects to > someone else. If you can't find a reason to use it - DON'T. For "flashy" graphics effects exist Turbo Extension and JDExtension... But I think you'll never obtain something good from your programs as you don't understand the importance of a powerful extension as EasyLife. Good coding is a great help in developing good programs... "flashy" graphics does not help your programs to become a "best seller" if it is crap! And usually programs which are based on flashy graphics are crap, IMHO. Greetings M&F From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Apr 11 14:48:03 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA25764 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 14:47:59 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA11707 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 10:46:58 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA11701 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 10:46:56 -0400 Received: from dns004.ford.com by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA11421 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 10:46:45 -0400 Received: from pms505.pms.ford.com (cadcam.pms.ford.com [19.7.14.205]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA09759 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 1995 10:46:44 -0400 From: clayton@cadcam.pms.ford.com Received: from vp3842 (vp3842.pms.ford.com) by cadcam.pms.ford.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15723; Tue, 11 Apr 1995 10:46:58 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 10:46:56 +0500 Message-Id: <9504111446.AA18040@vp3842> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: AMOSPro AGA X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Cash Opportunity Awaits! If some fine programmer more advanced than I, were to hack something that I could compile along with my AMOSPro source code (A relocatable ML routine I suspect) to allow the existing screen commands (syntax) to work just as they do on any screen that the your special AGA screen open command was used on. And was bug free..... Why I'd be willing to pay $20 to have that code sent my way! I'd bet a few others would too!! Just A Thought. +------------------------------+-----------------------+--------------------+ | Michael L. Clayton | Advanced Vehicle Tech.| The more you see, | | clayton@pms505.pms.ford.com | E/E CAE SYSTEMS Dept. | the more you know. | | Profs ID: MCLAYTO3 | Ford Motor Co. | The more you know, | +------------------------------+ Village Plaza, #1100 | the more you see. | | phone :(313) 39-05182 | 23400 Michigan Ave | | | fax :(313) 39-05011 | Dearborn, MI 48124 | :) M.L.CLayton | +------------------------------+-----------------------+--------------------+ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 12 04:02:13 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA10349 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 04:02:11 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA29129 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 23:30:25 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29125 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 23:30:23 -0400 Received: from student.uq.edu.au by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA27600 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 23:30:18 -0400 Received: from student.uq.edu.au (co314519@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by student.uq.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA15605 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 1995 13:30:12 +1000 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 13:30:06 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Stuart Matthews To: Discussion List Subject: [AMOS] Medplayer causing samples to loop Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Hi! I'm in need of help, so if anyone could please assist I'd really appreciate it. The problem is this: I'm writing a game that plays a med module for the introductory sequences, however during the actual game (when no music is being played at all) the samples all loop whenever they are played. Note that no where in my program is a SAM LOOP ON command issued. This is a test I did on my computer: 1 - loaded a sample bank 2 - played a sample from the sample bank - the sample did not loop 3 - loaded a med module 4 - played the same sample again, but now it loops. Note that I didn't even play the med module. I guess the medplayer.library is loaded when the module is loaded, so my theory is perhaps something in the med library is causing things to go wrong. So my question is: how do I play my samples without them looping, yet still have med modules in my game? FYI, this is my setup: A1200 2meg chip AmosPro v2 Amos3D extension AmosPro compiler I also have Paul Reece's Enhanced Music Extension, though my problem occurs with both EME and the original music extension. The version of the medplayer.library I'm using is the one from OctaMED v3. Any help would be *very* welcome, Thanks in advance, Stuart. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Stuart Matthews - University of Queensland - co314519@student.uq.edu.au ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 12 05:38:47 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13260 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 05:38:43 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA03521 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 02:05:55 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA03516 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 02:05:53 -0400 Received: from pucc.Princeton.EDU by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA23356 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 02:05:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199504120605.AA23356@nfs2.digex.net> Received: from PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU by pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1123; Wed, 12 Apr 95 02:05:55 EDT Received: from PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU (NJE origin VMMAIL@PUCC) by PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9882; Wed, 12 Apr 1995 02:05:55 -0400 Received: by PUCC (Mailer R2.10 ptf008) id 9088; Wed, 12 Apr 95 02:05:54 EDT Date: Wed, 12 Apr 95 01:57:10 EDT From: "Ralph E. Piper" Subject: question about amosguide accessory To: amos-list@access.digex.net Status: O X-Status: i'm new to amos, but i just got the Easylife extention. the archive includes a number of accessories, including Amosguide.Amos, which i have been trying to r un from the editor and as an accessory. the problem is that when i try to use the guide the editor reports that th ere is a syntax error in the Proceedure Lookup Commanf[K$]. when i open this p roceedure, the cursor is flashing at the line " N= G ". i have no idea why this happens..if anyons could shed some light, it would be appreciated. i am using AmosPro - version 1.12 thanks, rp From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 12 19:07:54 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA12668 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 19:07:51 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AB11473 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 14:23:43 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA11468 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 14:23:41 -0400 Received: from pianeta (pianeta.di.unito.it) by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13615 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 14:22:33 -0400 Received: by pianeta (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05475; Wed, 12 Apr 95 08:50:45 +0200 From: aldo@di.unito.it ( Magoga - Borsista CSI ) Message-Id: <9504120650.AA05475@pianeta> Subject: Amos Guide To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 08:50:44 +0200 (EET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 461 Status: O X-Status: Hi all. I know about amosguide's problems. Last week i tried to recompile structures with the Structure compiler but Amosguide still works bad. I heard that this problem is common to a lot of people and so i would like to know from Paul Hickman what he thinks about this... I checked all the program but i didn't manage to find errors in source or so. I think it can be a problem of structure compiler and pointers to structure. Luca (aldo@di.unito.it) From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 12 10:01:07 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA24017 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 10:01:02 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08095 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 05:53:32 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08091 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 05:53:31 -0400 Received: from varano.ing.unico.it by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13926 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 05:53:08 -0400 Received: by varano.ing.unico.it (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA03585; Wed, 12 Apr 1995 11:51:33 +0200 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 11:51:33 +0200 (MET DST) From: MeF Subject: Re: question about amosguide accessory To: "Ralph E. Piper" Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net In-Reply-To: <199504120605.AA23356@nfs2.digex.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 12 Apr 1995, Ralph E. Piper wrote: > i'm new to amos, but i just got the Easylife extention. the archive includes a > number of accessories, including Amosguide.Amos, which i have been trying to r > un from the editor and as an accessory. > > > the problem is that when i try to use the guide the editor reports that th > ere is a syntax error in the Proceedure Lookup Commanf[K$]. when i open this p > roceedure, the cursor is flashing at the line " N= G ". i have no idea why this > happens..if anyons could shed some light, it would be appreciated. > I have tryed ther AmosGuide program once... and it worked. No problems... I loaded a little guide though. Maybe with larger guides it has problems. M&F From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 12 14:21:29 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA24760 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 14:20:38 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA16626 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 09:26:52 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA16622 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 09:26:50 -0400 Received: from pianeta (pianeta.di.unito.it) by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA07073 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 09:26:34 -0400 Received: from cicladi.unito.it by pianeta (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07985; Wed, 12 Apr 95 12:51:15 +0200 From: aldo@di.unito.it ( Magoga - Borsista CSI ) Message-Id: <9504121051.AA07985@pianeta> Subject: Re: question about amosguide accessory To: RPIPER@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (Ralph E. Piper) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 12:50:39 +0200 (EET DST) Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net In-Reply-To: <199504120605.AA23356@nfs2.digex.net> from "Ralph E. Piper" at Apr 12, 95 01:57:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 900 Status: O X-Status: > >i'm new to amos, but i just got the Easylife extention. the archive includes a >number of accessories, including Amosguide.Amos, which i have been trying to >run from the editor and as an accessory. > > >the problem is that when i try to use the guide the editor reports that th >ere is a syntax error in the Procedure Lookup Commanf[K$]. when i open this >procedure, the cursor is flashing at the line " N= G ". i have no idea why this >happens..if anyons could shed some light, it would be appreciated. > > i am using AmosPro - version 1.12 > > thanks, > rp > I think you have to use Amos Pro 2.00 but i can be wrong... However, i don't know about this problem. The only problem i have is when i run Amosguide.Amos, but it's about a mysterious 'Bank not Reserved'.. Luca (aldo@di.unito.it) From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 12 17:08:22 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA05454 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 17:08:19 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA03214 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 12:40:59 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA03180 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 12:40:26 -0400 Received: from seraph.uunet.ca (uunet.ca) by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA18326 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 12:40:23 -0400 Received: from portnoy.canrem.com ([198.133.42.17]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <185982-3>; Wed, 12 Apr 1995 12:35:48 -0400 Received: from canrem.com by portnoy.canrem.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13084; Wed, 12 Apr 95 12:30:55 EDT Received: by canrem.com (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id 1DB5CD; Wed, 12 Apr 95 12:22:33 -0500 To: amos-list@access.digex.net Reply-To: CRSO.Amos@canrem.com Sender: CRSO.Amos@canrem.com Subject: Re: stdin/stdout From: mike.pelletier@canrem.com (Mike Pelletier) Message-Id: <60.2133.6587.0C1DB5CD@canrem.com> In-Reply-To: <9504081325.AA20364@goober.mbhs.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 13:06:00 -0400 Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Status: O X-Status: -> > 2: -> -> If you use this, you need to make the changes indicated below: -> Old New --- --- A$="*" Areg(1)=Varptr(A$) Dreg(1)=Varptr(A$) -> Dreg(2)=1005 -> MYIO=Doscall(LVO("Open")) (or) MYIO=Doscall(-30) -> > Then you use the contents of MYIO and use the following fragments > to do -> IO: -> -> IN: inbuf$=space$(30) areg(1)=MYIO Dreg(1)=MYIO areg(2)=Varptr(inbuf$) -> Dreg(2)=Varptr(INBUF$) dreg(0)=1 Dreg(3)=Len(INBUF$) -> z=Doscall(LVO("Read")) (or) z=Doscall(-42) -> OUT: outbuf$="Hello world" areg(1)=MYIO Dreg(1)=MYIO -> areg(2)=Varptr(outbuf$) Dreg(2)=Varptr(OUTBUF$) Dreg(3)=Len(OUTBUF$) -> z=Doscall(LVO("Write")) (or) z=Doscall(-48) -> > Finally, when you are done, you have to close the file: -> -> areg(1)=MYIO Dreg(1)=MYIO z=Doscall(LVO"Close") z=Doscall(LVO("Close")) -> (or) z=Doscall(-36) I tried this one and it works fine, but only if you just run the whole thing. If I try to make it subroutines or procedures, it gurus my machine. Can you (Andy) fix up the procs you showed me first? They were more in line with what I wanted to do. Or combine the two to get a final version. Well met and godspeed, Giark From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Apr 13 03:16:46 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA05209 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 03:16:43 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA26721 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 17:19:06 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA26715 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 17:19:01 -0400 Received: from goober.mbhs.edu by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA06137 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 17:18:59 -0400 Received: from dragon.mbhs.edu by goober.mbhs.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA29723; Wed, 12 Apr 1995 17:20:30 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 17:20:30 -0400 Message-Id: <9504122120.AA29723@goober.mbhs.edu> From: achurch@dragon.mbhs.edu(Andy Church) To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: [AMOS] Medplayer causing samples to loop Reply-To: achurch@goober.mbhs.edu X-Mailer: MMail v4.20 Status: O X-Status: >I'm in need of help, so if anyone could please assist I'd really >appreciate it. The problem is this: I'm writing a game that plays a med >module for the introductory sequences, however during the actual game >(when no music is being played at all) the samples all loop whenever they >are played. Note that no where in my program is a SAM LOOP ON command issued. This is a known bug - AMOS uses medplayer.library, which allocates the audio channels, and has the side effect of disabling AMOS's sound channel interrupt. So, when you try to play a sample later, AMOS has no way of knowing when the sound ends, and just loops it over and over. --Andy Church (achurch@goober.mbhs.edu) WWW: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/ AMOS Web Site: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/amos/ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Apr 13 11:44:45 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA10663 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 11:44:37 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08864 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 05:35:59 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08860 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 05:35:58 -0400 Received: from phoenix.inka.de by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA12291 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 05:34:49 -0400 Received: from by phoenix.inka.de with bsmtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #13) id m0rzHTo-0002hsC; Thu, 13 Apr 95 07:30 MET DST Received: from kiste.pfalz.de by mips.pfalz.de with cbsmtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0rzBk8-000CnbC; Thu, 13 Apr 95 01:22 MET DST X-Zc-Via: 19950412001252W+1@kiste.pfalz.de X-Zc-Via: 19950411235928W+1@sixpack.pfalz.de Subject: Unreceived mails... Message-Id: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 95 23:58:49 CET X-Zc-Telefon: V+49-89/8005856 X-Zc-Post: Kennedystrasse 8; D-82178 Puchheim; Germany Path: kiste.pfalz.de!sixpack.pfalz.de From: Chris@sixpack.pfalz.de (Chris Hodges) X-Mailer: MicroDot 1.10 [REGISTERED 000261] via Connectline-CLMSortin 2.17 To: amos-list@access.digex.net X-Gateway: ZConnect CL kiste.pfalz.de [Connectline/AmigaOS] Status: RO X-Status: Here come all the mails which did not receive the list via chris@surprise.rhein-ruhr.de... I'm sorry, if it's a little bit long but... :-) BET:Re: Text commands MID:vd7h0MD261agz5@chris.surprise.rhein-ruhr.de EDA:19950328051916S+2 BEZ:9503252229.AA01iqc@comlink.mpx.com.au EMP:amos-list@access.digex.net Darryl_Lewis@comlink.mpx.com.au (Darryl Lewis) wrote on 26.03.1995 some text under the subject Re: Text commands. I can't leave this uncommentated ;-) DL> How much for the full extension. About $50... DL> Is there a distribution site in Australia. No there isn't. There is not even a distribution site in England as yet :-((( Has anyone got some infomation about some dist sites all over the world? Bye, Chris Hodges __ __ A500/290/CD/'30er; German Extension-Coder __ /// / / _____ GCS d H s-:++ !g p? !au a18 w++ v? C+++ \\\/// / /_/ ___/ LOGOUT E---- N++ K- W------ -po+ t++@ !5 j-- R+ G? \XX/ \__/ __/ FASCISM! tv- b+ D-- B? e+(++)* u++ h! f !r n+ !y+ AMIGA RULEZ! \/ BET:Re: (no subject) MID:vfah6MD261aLz3@chris.surprise.rhein-ruhr.de EDA:19950401172442S+2 BEZ:199503311056.MAA15025@napier.iesd.auc.dk EMP:amos-list@access.digex.net dux@iesd.auc.dk (Frank Busborg) wrote on 31.03.1995 some text under the subject (no subject). I can't leave this uncommentated ;-) FB> This made be able to display flickerfree modes in my workbench FB> on my new 15 inches SVGA monitor. It is wonderful. Surely it is :-) FB> However, when I program in amos and open new screens like FB> FB> Screen Open 1,640,512,16,Laced+hires FB> FB> ofcause the screen will be laced (laced+hires). FB> FB> Is there a way to open a flickerfree 640*512 hires screen noninterlaced FB> in Amos? I would appreciate any help! There is always a way to do this. Currently, I don't have enough hardware docus about AGA, but I managed to 'open' a 640x512 (overscanned 736x580) interlace screen in 256 AGA colours and AGA fades using my own copperlist. The biggest problem is, that AMOS seems to reserve the screen memory using AllocMem rather using AllocRaster which causes some really bad effects: In AGA the prefetch modes require 64-bit aligned screen data AND widths that are a multiple of 64, otherwise the display will be quite currupted. Using AllocMem the memory blocks may not be 64-bit aligned. The following text has been cut out from HowToCode7: ---------------------->cut<------------------------------------------ Fetch Mode Required for Displays -------------------------------- *ALL* ECS and lower screenmodes require only 1x datafetch. All modes run *FASTER* with at least 2x bandwidth, so try and use 2x bandwitdh if possible. Planes Colours Fetchmode LORES (320x256) 6 64 1 7 128 1 8 256 1 8 HAM-8 1 HIRES (640x256) 5 32 2 6 64 2 7 128 2 8 256 2 8 HAM-8 2 SUPER-HIRES 1 2 1 (1280x256) 2 4 1 3 8 2 4 16 2 5 32 4 6 64 4 7 128 4 8 256 4 8 HAM-8 4 PRODUCTIVITY 1 2 1 (640x480,etc) 2 4 1 3 8 2 4 16 2 5 32 4 6 64 4 7 128 4 8 256 4 8 HAM-8 4 This table only shows the minimum required fetchmode for each screen. ---------------------->cut<------------------------------------------ Fetchmodes of 1 are not a problem whereas 2 and 4 are. (Everyone can try this out by Doke-ing $3 into $DFF1FC, to restore the value simple press Amiga-A twice). One more problem: AGA colours. There are no 256 24-bit colour registers, but the same 32 OCS 12-bit colour registers for all the colours. They are accessed by using a special register which switches between the eight upper-bits and the eight lower-bits colour banks. Very complicated and hardly any chance to get it into AMOS Screens. FB> By the way, I am programming in Amos Pro 2.0 and I like the new editor, FB> but I would truely like to include different colours in the scource-code FB> while editing to emphazise the different level of commands etc. Very good idea... FB> This would improve the readability while programming - right? Would be very handy :-) FB> It this possible and then what should I do? Hmmm no idea... Look at the code of the editor (which is an interface program) and try to find it out :-) Bye, Chris Hodges __ __ A500/290/CD/'30er; German Extension-Coder __ /// / / _____ GCS d H s-:++ !g p? !au a18 w++ v? C+++ \\\/// / /_/ ___/ LOGOUT E---- N++ K- W------ -po+ t++@ !5 j-- R+ G? \XX/ \__/ __/ FASCISM! tv- b+ D-- B? e+(++)* u++ h! f !r n+ !y+ AMIGA RULEZ! \/ BET:Re: Intuition problem... MID:vgPLOMD261aRz1@chris.surprise.rhein-ruhr.de EDA:19950404051838S+2 BEZ:9504030909.AA17105@pianeta EMP:amos-list@access.digex.net aldo@di.unito.it (Magoga - Borsista CSI ) wrote on 03.04.1995 some text under the subject Intuition problem.... I can't leave this uncommentated ;-) MB> I heard about Escom too, but i don't know much this compa- MB> ny. I know it how a PC seller company and i don't like this...PC with MB> Commodore's logo but no more Amigas? Ahhhhhhhh.....this is a nightmare! MB> Is there some german boy out there who can tell me more about Escom? It would be the end. Escom produce PCs, that look nice from outside and are very cheap (perhaps the cheapest) and they don't last for more than a few months. These PCs were made for the stupid people, who have never seen a computer in there life (and in fact, they will never see a *real* computer ;-) ), buy this crap and then you have no support or anything. Escom is my personal nightmare. If they get the licence to produce Amigas, it *will* be IMHO the end of this great computer. :-( Bye, Chris Hodges __ __ A500/290/CD/'30er; German Extension-Coder __ /// / / _____ GCS d H s-:++ !g p? !au a18 w++ v? C+++ \\\/// / /_/ ___/ LOGOUT E---- N++ K- W------ -po+ t++@ !5 j-- R+ G? \XX/ \__/ __/ FASCISM! tv- b+ D-- B? e+(++)* u++ h! f !r n+ !y+ AMIGA RULEZ! \/ BET:Re: amal -scroll MID:vgPRWMD261aez2@chris.surprise.rhein-ruhr.de EDA:19950404052510S+2 DISKUSSION-IN:amos-list@access.digex.net BEZ:14C7613BE5@utb.shv.hb.se EMP:amos-list@access.digex.net SA437@utb.shv.hb.se (Marco Eberhardt) wrote on 03.04.1995 some text under the subject Re: amal -scroll. I can't leave this uncommentated ;-) ME> I had a source code for this, but the LZX compressor program maked ME> the packed amos-code unusuable to me, it was corrupt when i tried to ME> uunencode it!!!! So i cannot uunencode it for ya... sorry! Ooops... I've got an archive of 42 files here with all kinds of scrollers and effects... and I'm thinking about posting the archive into AmiNet/amos/dev... ;-) ME> Have anyone else had a problem with LZX ??? Please tell me! I had some ugly problems with LZX 1.00. The directory handling was really stupid and there have been some real problems with very big archives. Always test your files in the archive before sending! But now there should be a new version of LZX 1.01 on AmiNet... try this one out :-) Bye, Chris Hodges __ __ A500/290/CD/'30er; German Extension-Coder __ /// / / _____ GCS d H s-:++ !g p? !au a18 w++ v? C+++ \\\/// / /_/ ___/ LOGOUT E---- N++ K- W------ -po+ t++@ !5 j-- R+ G? \XX/ \__/ __/ FASCISM! tv- b+ D-- B? e+(++)* u++ h! f !r n+ !y+ AMIGA RULEZ! \/ BET:Extension List MID:vgkh4MD261aRz1@chris.surprise.rhein-ruhr.de EDA:19950405053624S+2 EMP:amos-list@access.digex.net 5) What extension slots are being used? AMOS AMOS Pro 1+ Music or EME v4.64 Music or EME v4.64 2 Compact v1.2 Picture Compactor v2.00 3 Request v1.41 Requester v2.00 4 3D v1.00 3D v1.02AP 5 Compiler v1.36 Pro Compiler v2.00 6 Serial v1.2 IO Devices v2.00 7 TOME v4.24 TOME Pro V4.24 8 CText v2.5 AMCAF V1.18 9 Range (AMOS Club Ext.) v2.8 Range Pro V2.9 10 Dump Lib 10 LDos v2.5 LDos v2.5 11 LSer v2.1 LSer v2.1 12 TURBO PLUS v1.0 TURBO PLUS v1.0 14-* Intuition v1.0 Intuition v1.0 15 DSAM v???? DSAM v???? 16* EasyLife v1.4b EasyLife v1.4b 16 Germany only: AMCAF V1.18 17 AMIPS Intuition Extension 18 CRAFT v1.00 CRAFT v1.00 19 MusiCRAFT v1.00 MusiCRAFT v1.00 20-* AMOS OS Interface v3.4 AMOS OS Interface v3.4 21* PRT_Extension v1.1 PRT_Extension v1.1 22* JD_Extension v4.6 JD_Extension v4.6 Greetings Chris Hodges BET:Re: stdin/stdout MID:vguU1MD261aRz1@chris.surprise.rhein-ruhr.de EDA:19950405164509S+2 BEZ:60.2074.6587.0C1D9AF6@canrem.com EMP:amos-list@access.digex.net mike.pelletier@canrem.com (Mike Pelletier) wrote on 04.04.1995 some text under the subject stdin/stdout. I can't leave this uncommentated ;-) MP> Does anyone know how to hit the STDIN and STDOUT on the amiga? I need to MP> access them from Amos. Where do I poke/peek to read the info and send info? Try out these procedures I've coded for you ;-) Some words of warning: I could only test them on AMOS Pro 2.0 and they work as long as you don't break the program when the stdout has been assigned. If you do, you must Loke Areg(5)+$8BC+(CHAN-1)*10,0 by hand in the direct mode, otherwise AMOS will close the handle and will crash the computer when AMOS is quitted! Amos To Back _ASSIGNSTDOUT[1] _ASSIGNSTDIN[2] Set Input 10,-1 Print #1,"Please enter a string: "; ' Warning! Do NOT use a semicolon after A$! Otherwise AMOS crashes! Line Input #2,A$ _REMSTD[1] _REMSTD[2] Amos To Front Print "You typed: ";A$ End Procedure _ASSIGNSTDIN[CHAN] If CHAN<1 or CHAN>8 Then Error 23 STIN=Doscall(-54) AD=Areg(5)+$8BC+(CHAN-1)*10 If Leek(AD)<>0 Then Error 96 Loke AD,STIN : Doke AD+4,$200 : Loke AD+6,0 End Proc Procedure _ASSIGNSTDOUT[CHAN] If CHAN<1 or CHAN>8 Then Error 23 STIN=Doscall(-60) AD=Areg(5)+$8BC+(CHAN-1)*10 If Leek(AD)<>0 Then Error 96 Loke AD,STIN : Doke AD+4,$100 : Loke AD+6,0 End Proc Procedure _REMSTD[CHAN] If CHAN<1 or CHAN>8 Then Error 23 AD=Areg(5)+$8BC+(CHAN-1)*10 If Leek(AD)=0 Then Error 97 Loke AD,0 : Doke AD+4,0 : Loke AD+6,0 End Proc Bye, Chris Hodges __ __ A500/290/CD/'30er; German Extension-Coder __ /// / / _____ GCS d H s-:++ !g p? !au a18 w++ v? C+++ \\\/// / /_/ ___/ LOGOUT E---- N++ K- W------ -po+ t++@ !5 j-- R+ G? \XX/ \__/ __/ FASCISM! tv- b+ D-- B? e+(++)* u++ h! f !r n+ !y+ AMIGA RULEZ! \/ BET:Re: Text commands MID:vg5vyMD261aRz1@chris.surprise.rhein-ruhr.de EDA:19950406054450S+2 BEZ:9504041009.AA005tc@ultim.demon.co.uk EMP:amos-list@access.digex.net config@ultim.demon.co.uk (Gareth Edwards) wrote on 04.04.1995 some text under the subject Re: Text commands. I can't leave this uncommentated ;-) GE> About the CHANGE_FONT procedure you posted to the list a week or so ago; GE> GE> When I use the proc, I find that the monitor no longer works correctly. Eh? I testet it with some more lines after the program and it worked correctly (despite my monitor has never worked correctly et al). There COULD be some structural errors if the font is not found but I programmed it so to avoid this. Do not call this procedure if there is no current open screen. Could you please send me the part of the program which makes the trouble? GE> The "pointer" jumps around erratically and the "next command" prompt GE> gives the wrong info. There are several occassions when the pointer jumps around like mad. Have you tested it without my routine? GE> I just thought I'd better point that out to you and anybody else who's GE> found that their monitor no longer works. Thx for the information. I'll try to fix the error, if I can find any. (For my programs, I use the Change Font *command* anyway :-) ). Bye, Chris Hodges __ __ A500/290/CD/'30er; German Extension-Coder __ /// / / _____ GCS d H s-:++ !g p? !au a18 w++ v? C+++ \\\/// / /_/ ___/ LOGOUT E---- N++ K- W------ -po+ t++@ !5 j-- R+ G? \XX/ \__/ __/ FASCISM! tv- b+ D-- B? e+(++)* u++ h! f !r n+ !y+ AMIGA RULEZ! \/ BET:Re: sload MID:vhOF1MD261aez4@chris.surprise.rhein-ruhr.de EDA:19950407045341S+2 BEZ:9504060902.AA05079@tc6.chem.ruu.nl EMP:amos-list@access.digex.net martijn@chem.ruu.nl (Martijn Wehrens, Utrecht) wrote on 06.04.1995 some text under the subject sload. I can't leave this uncommentated ;-) MU> Are there any more such strange syntaxis-errors as the sload MU> problem ? I think Input# and Line Input have such an syntax error, too. And more, they crash if I use the ';' after a command. Anyone else who made this experience? Bye, Chris Hodges __ __ A500/290/CD/'30er; German Extension-Coder __ /// / / _____ GCS d H s-:++ !g p? !au a18 w++ v? C+++ \\\/// / /_/ ___/ LOGOUT E---- N++ K- W------ -po+ t++@ !5 j-- R+ G? \XX/ \__/ __/ FASCISM! tv- b+ D-- B? e+(++)* u++ h! f !r n+ !y+ AMIGA RULEZ! \/ BET:Can you read me? MID:vhYSuMD261aRz1@chris.surprise.rhein-ruhr.de EDA:19950407163006S+2 EMP:amos-list@access.digex.net I'm having the feeling, that my mails don't reach you... I've posted several mails not even ONE has answered and I didn't even get it back into the list. :-(((( Please send me a personal message, if you can read this. Thanks! :-) Greetings Chris Hodges BET:Re: Help me I'm stuck. MID:vhvz1MD261aLz3@chris.surprise.rhein-ruhr.de EDA:19950408191533S+2 BEZ:9504070638.AA70772@freenet.calgary.ab.ca EMP:amos-list@access.digex.net michalow@freenet.calgary.ab.ca wrote on 07.04.1995 some text under the subject Help me I'm stuck.. I can't leave this uncommentated ;-) mw> I've just started prigramming in Amos. Enjoy :-) mw> I can't figiure out how to make amos time something. Not much of a problem really ;) mw> For example i will type a sentece and it will tell me how long it took for me mw> to type it. I have tried the timer command, but it doesn't seem to be working mw> right. I have to put it in loop for it to time anything, but then I can't input mw> anything. I'm using amos 1.36. Can anyone help me please. What about this one: VF=50-Ntsc*10 OLDTIME=Timer ' Jump to your keyboard input routine... TIME=Timer-OLDTIME Print "You took"+Str$(TIME/VF)+" secs and"+Str$(TIME Mod VF)+" ticks to type this in." The VF variable is used to get the correct timing both on PAL and NTSC machines ;) Bye, Chris Hodges __ __ A500/290/CD/'30er; German Extension-Coder __ /// / / _____ GCS d H s-:++ !g p? !au a18 w++ v? C+++ \\\/// / /_/ ___/ LOGOUT E---- N++ K- W------ -po+ t++@ !5 j-- R+ G? \XX/ \__/ __/ FASCISM! tv- b+ D-- B? e+(++)* u++ h! f !r n+ !y+ AMIGA RULEZ! \/ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Apr 13 09:13:31 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA27227 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 09:12:50 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA01952 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 03:27:03 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01948 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 03:27:01 -0400 Received: from coyote.rain.org by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA05914 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 03:26:59 -0400 Received: by coyote.rain.org(8.6.10/RAIN-1.0) with id AAA10415 for on Thu, 13 Apr 1995 00:20:46 -0700 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 00:20:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Doctor X To: achurch@goober.mbhs.edu Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: [AMOS] Medplayer causing samples to loop In-Reply-To: <9504122120.AA29723@goober.mbhs.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 12 Apr 1995, Andy Church wrote: > This is a known bug - AMOS uses medplayer.library, which allocates the > audio channels, and has the side effect of disabling AMOS's sound channel > interrupt. So, when you try to play a sample later, AMOS has no way of > knowing when the sound ends, and just loops it over and over. A good way to get around this problem is to use MODs (NOISEtracker, whatever) instead. True, they don't have all the little options MEDs have, but you get music without looping (or, in my case the system crashes) when using samples. oo T H I S M E S S A G E W A S W R I T T E N B Y oo || d o c t o r x @ r a i n . o r g || :: Check Out the BORED? Homepage: http://www.rain.org/~doctorx/ :: .. `->AMIGANIRVANAHOWARDSTERNKILLAOLKILLFACISTSPROTHINKING<-' .. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Apr 13 09:33:28 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA02751 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 09:33:07 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA04306 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 03:57:13 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA04301 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 03:57:11 -0400 Received: from vortex.netbistro.com by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA07537 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 03:57:08 -0400 Received: from ts1/10.net.netbistro.com by vortex.netbistro.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #9) id m0rzJly-000LTHC; Thu, 13 Apr 95 00:56 PDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 95 00:56 PDT X-Sender: gau@vortex.netbistro.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: amos-list@access.digex.net From: gau@vortex.netbistro.com (Brian Jack) Subject: Re: [AMOS] Medplayer causing samples to loop Status: O X-Status: > This is a known bug - AMOS uses medplayer.library, which allocates the >audio channels, and has the side effect of disabling AMOS's sound channel >interrupt. So, when you try to play a sample later, AMOS has no way of >knowing when the sound ends, and just loops it over and over. And causes a Guru Meditation in KS1.3 :( ============================================================================ "Draped in monster hides, eyes shining with intelligence. A youth surviving against all odds..." ===== gau@vortex.netbistro.com === WWW: http://vortex.netbistro.com/comp === From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Apr 13 17:16:22 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01759 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 17:16:19 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02168 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 11:59:23 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02160 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 11:59:18 -0400 Received: from seraph.uunet.ca (uunet.ca) by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA09152 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 11:59:15 -0400 Received: from portnoy.canrem.com ([198.133.42.17]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <186619-1>; Thu, 13 Apr 1995 11:57:49 -0400 Received: from canrem.com by portnoy.canrem.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11366; Thu, 13 Apr 95 11:50:59 EDT Received: by canrem.com (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id 1DB8E2; Thu, 13 Apr 95 11:46:07 -0500 To: amos-list@access.digex.net Reply-To: CRSO.Amos@canrem.com Sender: CRSO.Amos@canrem.com Subject: Re: stdin/stdout From: mike.pelletier@canrem.com (Mike Pelletier) Message-Id: <60.2145.6587.0C1DB8E2@canrem.com> In-Reply-To: <9504122123.AA26230@goober.mbhs.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 12:35:00 -0400 Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Status: O X-Status: -> The problem is that your variables (MYIO, etc.) aren't global, and you end -> up trying to Close(0) or some such, so when DOS tries to dereference 0, it -> gets into trouble. Just put a Global statement at the beginning for the -> variables which are shared between procedures. Ok. I did make MYIO global, but maybe I need to do it for another. I'll check and get back to you. If it works ok, who are the two authors who I should credit with the I/O routine help? Andy Church is one, who is the other? Well met and godspeed, Giark From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Apr 13 21:34:29 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA15116 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 21:34:24 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA20889 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 15:36:23 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA20880 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 15:36:19 -0400 Received: from fsa.cpsc.ucalgary.ca by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA25684 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 15:36:15 -0400 Received: from hc.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (hc.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.11.12]) by fsa.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (1.8) id ; Thu, 13 Apr 1995 13:30:31 -0600 From: currie@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Robert Currie) Received: by hc.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (1.2; from currie@localhost) id ; Thu, 13 Apr 1995 13:31:01 -0600 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 13:31:01 -0600 Message-Id: <199504131931.NAA06022@hc.cpsc.ucalgary.ca> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Hello Status: RO X-Status: Greetings, I have been receiving this list no directly for the last few months and I finally managed to attain access. I have been using AMOS for the last year or so and have succeeded in creating a D&D adventure game called BloodQuest. It is in the Eye of Beholder style (except objects do not appear visible in the action screen so you can't pick them up with the mouse.) with the 3 dimensional perspective. It is done in 64 color halfbright mode and contains a great deal more detail than any of the Beholder releases. Characters can be created from one of over 18 classes and 9 races and new race - class combinations can easily be added. The entire program is modular and so the adventure can increase in size as much as is needed. Monsters, maps, encounters, are all dynamic objects that will change as the adventure progresses. I am entering the Amiga Format contest with my game and so a full working program should appear soon. As it is modular, I will be releasing only the first adventure with the program. People who register with me will receive later adventures(as they are created) at a minimal cost. Other than that, I look forward to chatting with you all. Robert Currie From svcs1.digex.net!amos-request Wed Apr 12 17:00:09 1995 remote from earth Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by earth.usa.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id RAA25641 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 1995 17:00:08 -0600 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AB11473 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 14:23:43 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA11468 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 14:23:41 -0400 Received: from pianeta (pianeta.di.unito.it) by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13615 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 14:22:33 -0400 Received: by pianeta (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05475; Wed, 12 Apr 95 08:50:45 +0200 From: earth!di.unito.it!aldo ( Magoga - Borsista CSI ) Message-Id: <9504120650.AA05475@pianeta> Subject: Amos Guide To: earth!access.digex.net!amos-list Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 08:50:44 +0200 (EET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 461 Status: O X-Status: Hi all. I know about amosguide's problems. Last week i tried to recompile structures with the Structure compiler but Amosguide still works bad. I heard that this problem is common to a lot of people and so i would like to know from Paul Hickman what he thinks about this... I checked all the program but i didn't manage to find errors in source or so. I think it can be a problem of structure compiler and pointers to structure. Luca (aldo@di.unito.it) From svcs1.digex.net!amos-request Thu Apr 13 07:00:15 1995 remote from earth Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by earth.usa.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id HAA14743 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 1995 07:00:15 -0600 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA01952 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 03:27:03 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01948 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 03:27:01 -0400 Received: from coyote.rain.org by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA05914 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 03:26:59 -0400 Received: by coyote.rain.org(8.6.10/RAIN-1.0) with id AAA10415 for on Thu, 13 Apr 1995 00:20:46 -0700 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 00:20:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Doctor X To: earth!goober.mbhs.edu!achurch Cc: earth!access.digex.net!amos-list Subject: Re: [AMOS] Medplayer causing samples to loop In-Reply-To: <9504122120.AA29723@goober.mbhs.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Wed, 12 Apr 1995, Andy Church wrote: > This is a known bug - AMOS uses medplayer.library, which allocates the > audio channels, and has the side effect of disabling AMOS's sound channel > interrupt. So, when you try to play a sample later, AMOS has no way of > knowing when the sound ends, and just loops it over and over. A good way to get around this problem is to use MODs (NOISEtracker, whatever) instead. True, they don't have all the little options MEDs have, but you get music without looping (or, in my case the system crashes) when using samples. oo T H I S M E S S A G E W A S W R I T T E N B Y oo || d o c t o r x @ r a i n . o r g || :: Check Out the BORED? Homepage: http://www.rain.org/~doctorx/ :: .. `->AMIGANIRVANAHOWARDSTERNKILLAOLKILLFACISTSPROTHINKING<-' .. From svcs1.digex.net!amos-request Thu Apr 13 07:14:10 1995 remote from earth Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by earth.usa.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id HAA18221 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 1995 07:14:07 -0600 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA04306 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 03:57:13 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA04301 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 03:57:11 -0400 Received: from vortex.netbistro.com by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA07537 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 03:57:08 -0400 Received: from ts1/10.net.netbistro.com by vortex.netbistro.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #9) id m0rzJly-000LTHC; Thu, 13 Apr 95 00:56 PDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 95 00:56 PDT X-Sender: gau@vortex.netbistro.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: earth!access.digex.net!amos-list From: earth!vortex.netbistro.com!gau (Brian Jack) Subject: Re: [AMOS] Medplayer causing samples to loop Status: O X-Status: > This is a known bug - AMOS uses medplayer.library, which allocates the >audio channels, and has the side effect of disabling AMOS's sound channel >interrupt. So, when you try to play a sample later, AMOS has no way of >knowing when the sound ends, and just loops it over and over. And causes a Guru Meditation in KS1.3 :( ============================================================================ "Draped in monster hides, eyes shining with intelligence. A youth surviving against all odds..." ===== gau@vortex.netbistro.com === WWW: http://vortex.netbistro.com/comp === From svcs1.digex.net!amos-request Thu Apr 13 15:06:20 1995 remote from earth Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by earth.usa.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id PAA21037 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 1995 15:06:17 -0600 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02168 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 11:59:23 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02160 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 11:59:18 -0400 Received: from seraph.uunet.ca (uunet.ca) by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA09152 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 11:59:15 -0400 Received: from portnoy.canrem.com ([198.133.42.17]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <186619-1>; Thu, 13 Apr 1995 11:57:49 -0400 Received: from canrem.com by portnoy.canrem.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11366; Thu, 13 Apr 95 11:50:59 EDT Received: by canrem.com (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id 1DB8E2; Thu, 13 Apr 95 11:46:07 -0500 To: earth!access.digex.net!amos-list Reply-To: earth!canrem.com!CRSO.Amos Sender: earth!canrem.com!CRSO.Amos Subject: Re: stdin/stdout From: earth!canrem.com!mike.pelletier (Mike Pelletier) Message-Id: <60.2145.6587.0C1DB8E2@canrem.com> In-Reply-To: <9504122123.AA26230@goober.mbhs.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 12:35:00 -0400 Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Status: O X-Status: -> The problem is that your variables (MYIO, etc.) aren't global, and you end -> up trying to Close(0) or some such, so when DOS tries to dereference 0, it -> gets into trouble. Just put a Global statement at the beginning for the -> variables which are shared between procedures. Ok. I did make MYIO global, but maybe I need to do it for another. I'll check and get back to you. If it works ok, who are the two authors who I should credit with the I/O routine help? Andy Church is one, who is the other? Well met and godspeed, Giark From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Apr 14 14:22:53 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA08451 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 14:22:49 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA01458 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 09:40:53 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01451 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 09:40:51 -0400 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13371 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 09:40:48 -0400 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA087706845; Fri, 14 Apr 1995 09:40:45 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 09:40:45 -0400 From: Begust@aol.com Message-Id: <950414094044_82991715@aol.com> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Compiled procedure HELP! Status: O X-Status: Could the individual who posted the compiled procedure allowing any font to be loaded please contact me via email. I have some questions about your procedure. Brad G. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Apr 14 21:55:24 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA28492 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 21:55:22 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA06693 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 17:40:02 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AB06688 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 17:39:59 -0400 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA18071 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 17:39:57 -0400 Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA151415596; Fri, 14 Apr 1995 17:39:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 17:39:56 -0400 From: Begust@aol.com Message-Id: <950414173948_83471287@aol.com> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: A Turbo opportunity Status: RO X-Status: Attention Manuel Andre: Now that Andy Church has finished Intuition 3.0, and we can open and use a AGA screen: Iscreen Open 1,640,400,256,Hires,"Hello",$91000. and we can locate the screen in the Amigas memory with Iscreen Base. Would it be possible to enhance the Turbo Plus extension adding a screen location option to each command allowing the command to work on any screen within the Amigas memory? This would give Amos the long wanted AGA compatibility. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Apr 15 13:59:32 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA01411 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 13:54:46 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA13914 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 08:42:21 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13910 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 08:42:19 -0400 Received: from warrane.connect.com.au by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA28895 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 08:42:01 -0400 Received: from triode.apana.org.au (triode.apana.org.au [202.12.88.58]) by warrane.connect.com.au with ESMTP id WAA01597 (8.6.11/IDA-1.6); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 22:41:08 +1000 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 22:37:38 +0000 From: Neil Miller Subject: Re: Help me I'm stuck. To: Tim Wright Cc: AMOS list In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On Fri, 7 Apr 1995, Tim Wright wrote: > This is a quick example in AMOSPro, but I think it's the same for AMOS: Why all the bloody maths? > > T1=Timer timer=0 > Input "Input something: ";SOMETHING$ > T2=Timer > TIME=(T2-T1)/50 if T2>50 then time=t2/50 else time=t2 > Print "It took ";TIME;" seconds to type in: ";SOMETHING$ > > TIME is assigned the difference between the clock values before and after > your input, divided by 50 (Timer increments every 50th of a second), for > the number of seconds elapsed. > > -======}=* Tim Wright - "Argh!" - tewright@mailbox.syr.edu *={======- > \|/ -O"O- ----------------------oOO-(_)-OOo------------------------ T E X neil@triode.apana.org.au From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Apr 15 17:22:56 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA11287 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 17:22:54 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA23847 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 14:38:06 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA23839 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 14:37:37 -0400 Received: from mailbox.syr.EDU by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA04319 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 14:35:01 -0400 Received: from forbin.syr.edu by mailbox.syr.edu (8.6.9/SUM-V8-1.0) id KAA13115; Sat, 15 Apr 1995 10:45:19 -0400 Received: by forbin.syr.edu (5.x/Spike-2.0) id AA29196; Sat, 15 Apr 1995 10:45:12 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 10:45:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Wright X-Sender: tewright@forbin.syr.edu To: AMOS list Subject: Re: Help me I'm stuck. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: > (silly program deleted) Your if-then-else takes longer to execute! (miniscule difference, but noticeable if you take out the input and repeat it about 10000 times). *laugh* Actually I just forgot about timer=0. I think the point got across anyway. Besides, all you really need is the example below: (I was also instinctively trying to write something that could be very easily customized to suit anyones needs... damn comp-sci training ;) Timer=0 Input "Input something: ";SOMETHING$ Print "It took ";Timer/50;" seconds to type in: ";SOMETHING$ -======}=* Tim Wright - "Argh!" - tewright@mailbox.syr.edu *={======- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Apr 15 19:01:15 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA13761 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 19:01:13 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA27313 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 17:26:08 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA27309 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 17:26:06 -0400 Received: from goober.mbhs.edu by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA11416 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 17:26:04 -0400 Received: from dragon.mbhs.edu by goober.mbhs.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA31085; Sat, 15 Apr 1995 17:27:47 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 17:27:47 -0400 Message-Id: <9504152127.AA31085@goober.mbhs.edu> From: achurch@dragon.mbhs.edu (Andy Church) To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: A Turbo opportunity Reply-To: achurch@goober.mbhs.edu X-Mailer: MMail v4.20 Status: RO X-Status: >Attention Manuel Andre: Manuel does not (as far as I know) have Internet access. Does anyone have his address? (Aside from Ryan Scott) > Now that Andy Church has finished Intuition 3.0, >and we can open and use a AGA screen: > > Iscreen Open 1,640,400,256,Hires,"Hello",$91000. > >and we can locate the screen in the Amigas memory with >Iscreen Base. Would it be possible to enhance the Turbo >Plus extension adding a screen location option to each >command allowing the command to work on any screen within >the Amigas memory? It would be simpler than that. (Extension programmers take note!) Since v1.2b of the extension, there have been a few routines included in the extension for use by other extensions - for example, there's a routine to get the address of an Intuition screen given its number, or to get the address of the current screen. So any extension that takes advantage of these can work transparently with Intuition. Oops... now that I think of it, I've been forgetting to include the appropriate files in the archives. Anyone interested, please mail me. --Andy Church (achurch@goober.mbhs.edu) WWW: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/ AMOS Web Site: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/amos/ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Apr 16 15:56:47 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA05318 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 15:56:46 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA24428 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 13:39:00 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA24424 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 13:38:59 -0400 Received: from seraph.uunet.ca (uunet.ca) by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA11611 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 13:38:57 -0400 Received: from portnoy.canrem.com ([198.133.42.17]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <186728-4>; Sun, 16 Apr 1995 13:40:19 -0400 Received: from canrem.com by portnoy.canrem.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19438; Sun, 16 Apr 95 13:35:24 EDT Received: by canrem.com (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id 1DC0AB; Sun, 16 Apr 95 13:32:33 -0500 To: amos-list@access.digex.net Reply-To: CRSO.Amos@canrem.com Sender: CRSO.Amos@canrem.com Subject: Passing arguments From: mike.pelletier@canrem.com (Mike Pelletier) Message-Id: <60.2155.6587.0C1DC0AB@canrem.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 14:24:00 -0400 Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Status: RO X-Status: Ok, new question. (Thanks, by the way, to all who contributed to the STDIN/STDOUT question.) How do you read a string passed with a cli? eg: 6> AMOSPRG fred How would I get the amos program (which is compiled and runs from the cli) to get the string fred? I'm sure it's just a matter of reg() and stuff, but I need to know where/how. Well met and godspeed, Giark From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Apr 16 22:55:17 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA28406 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 22:55:13 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA07039 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 20:37:14 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA07033 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 20:37:07 -0400 Received: from goober.mbhs.edu by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA11458 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 20:36:06 -0400 Received: from dragon.mbhs.edu by goober.mbhs.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA30290; Sun, 16 Apr 1995 20:37:32 -0400 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 20:37:32 -0400 Message-Id: <9504170037.AA30290@goober.mbhs.edu> From: achurch@dragon.mbhs.edu (Andy Church) To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Passing arguments Reply-To: achurch@goober.mbhs.edu X-Mailer: MMail v4.20 Status: RO X-Status: >How do you read a string passed with a cli? > >eg: 6> AMOSPRG fred > >How would I get the amos program (which is compiled and runs from the cli) to >get the string fred? Use the reserved variable "Command Line$". --Andy Church (achurch@goober.mbhs.edu) WWW: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/ AMOS Web Site: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/amos/ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Apr 17 17:27:13 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA18698 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 17:27:10 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA11327 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 12:34:49 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA11318 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 12:34:47 -0400 Received: from access3.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA27551 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 12:34:12 -0400 Received: by access3.digex.net id AA06641 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for AMOS Mailing List ); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 12:34:10 -0400 Path: news1.digex.net!news2.digex.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!dungeon.com!usenet From: chris@jasper.dungeon.com (Chris Akers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer Subject: Amos Algoritham REQ Date: Sun, 16 Apr 95 21:34:45 GMT Organization: Dungeon Network Systems Lines: 11 Message-Id: <19950416.273E0.13822@jasper.dungeon.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: jasper.dungeon.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 12:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Resent-From: Michael Cox of EDS Resent-To: AMOS Mailing List Resent-Message-Id: Apparently-To: AMOS Mailing List Status: O X-Status: I'm looking for an algoritham (or even a tutorial text) on implementing momentum on to blitter objects e.g. The galaxy force game. Help anyone? chris@jasper.dungeon.com -- .signature under construction From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Apr 18 06:41:59 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA28293 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 06:41:57 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00294 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 00:10:38 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00290 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 00:10:36 -0400 Received: from crash.cts.com by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA11388 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 00:10:22 -0400 Received: by crash.cts.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #23) id m0s14c4-0001YGC; Mon, 17 Apr 95 21:10 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 21:09:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Cox To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Message Port Locator Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: I am uploading an AMOSPro Application that I wrote up last night that will give you a listing of all current message (Arexx) ports and their pointers. It does require that you have Arexx (v1.15) installed and the CLI command 'Rx' in your C: directory. Check it out and let me know what you think ? Greg From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 19 06:46:28 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA15357 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 06:46:26 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02246 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 01:08:06 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AB02235 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 01:08:02 -0400 Received: from phoenix.inka.de by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13412 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 01:07:57 -0400 Received: from by phoenix.inka.de with bsmtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #13) id m0s15Pf-0002g5C; Tue, 18 Apr 95 07:01 MET DST Received: from kiste.pfalz.de by mips.pfalz.de with cbsmtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0s10lX-000CnXC; Tue, 18 Apr 95 02:03 MET DST X-Zc-Via: 19950417201639W+1@kiste.pfalz.de X-Zc-Via: 19950417170008W+1@sixpack.pfalz.de Subject: Re: AMCAF extension Message-Id: Date: Mon, 17 Apr 95 16:05:08 CET X-Zc-Telefon: V+49-89/8005856 X-Zc-Post: Kennedystrasse 8; D-82178 Puchheim; Germany Path: kiste.pfalz.de!sixpack.pfalz.de From: Chris@sixpack.pfalz.de (Chris Hodges) X-Mailer: MicroDot 1.10 [REGISTERED 000261] via Connectline-CLMSortin 2.17 To: amos-list@access.digex.net X-Gateway: ZConnect CL kiste.pfalz.de [Connectline/AmigaOS] References: <9504140816.AA08416@suns8c2.signaal> Status: RO X-Status: jp_dejong@hgl.signaal.nl (Jong J.P. de) wrote on 14.04.1995 some text under the subject AMCAF extension. I can't leave this uncommentated ;-) Jd> This message is from my eldest son Mark and I pass it on to you: How cute... :-) Jd> My name is Mark de Jong. I'm interested in the AMCAF extension, Jd> so would you please send the demo of it to me? Oki... I've got you on my list... Jd> I'm also interested in more tricks you can do with rainbows. e.g you can create 'rubber' effects... See the example programs you will get in near future... Jd> So would you also send more tricks for rainbows to me? Sure... ;-) Bye, Chris Hodges __ __ A500/290/CD/'30er; German Extension-Coder __ /// / / _____ GCS d H s-:++ !g p? !au a18 w++ v? C+++ \\\/// / /_/ ___/ LOGOUT E---- N++ K- W------ -po+ t++@ !5 j-- R+ G? \XX/ \__/ __/ FASCISM! tv- b+ D-- B? e+(++)* u++ h! f !r n+ !y+ AMIGA RULEZ! \/ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 19 07:42:40 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA17039 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 07:42:37 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02367 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 01:10:05 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02363 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 01:10:03 -0400 Received: from phoenix.inka.de by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13554 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 01:09:59 -0400 Received: from by phoenix.inka.de with bsmtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #13) id m0s15Xy-0002dsC; Tue, 18 Apr 95 07:09 MET DST Received: from kiste.pfalz.de by mips.pfalz.de with cbsmtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0s10lZ-000CniC; Tue, 18 Apr 95 02:03 MET DST X-Zc-Via: 19950417201656W+1@kiste.pfalz.de X-Zc-Via: 19950417175718W+1@sixpack.pfalz.de Subject: Re: Passing arguments Message-Id: Date: Mon, 17 Apr 95 17:07:13 CET X-Zc-Telefon: V+49-89/8005856 X-Zc-Post: Kennedystrasse 8; D-82178 Puchheim; Germany Path: kiste.pfalz.de!sixpack.pfalz.de From: Chris@sixpack.pfalz.de (Chris Hodges) X-Mailer: MicroDot 1.10 [REGISTERED 000261] via Connectline-CLMSortin 2.17 To: amos-list@access.digex.net X-Gateway: ZConnect CL kiste.pfalz.de [Connectline/AmigaOS] References: <60.2155.6587.0C1DC0AB@canrem.com> Status: O X-Status: mike.pelletier@canrem.com (Mike Pelletier) wrote on 16.04.1995 some text under the subject Passing arguments. I can't leave this uncommentated ;-) MP> How do you read a string passed with a cli? MP> MP> eg: 6> AMOSPRG fred MP> MP> How would I get the amos program (which is compiled and runs from the cli) to MP> get the string fred? Luckily, this is very easy. Just use the "=Command Line$" function to get the parameter... read out the string as soon as possible because it is stored in the graphics buffer (?)... MP> I'm sure it's just a matter of reg() and stuff, but I need to know where/how. You could of course use a lot of ParseArgs() to get the same or even better results... :-) Bye, Chris Hodges __ __ A500/290/CD/'30er; German Extension-Coder __ /// / / _____ GCS d H s-:++ !g p? !au a18 w++ v? C+++ \\\/// / /_/ ___/ LOGOUT E---- N++ K- W------ -po+ t++@ !5 j-- R+ G? \XX/ \__/ __/ FASCISM! tv- b+ D-- B? e+(++)* u++ h! f !r n+ !y+ AMIGA RULEZ! \/ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Apr 18 17:52:33 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA07932 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 17:52:29 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA28744 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 10:48:18 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA28733 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 10:48:14 -0400 Received: from dns004.ford.com by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA08550 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 10:48:11 -0400 Received: from pms505.pms.ford.com (cadcam.pms.ford.com [19.7.14.205]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA06687; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 10:48:06 -0400 From: clayton@cadcam.pms.ford.com Received: from vp3842 (vp3842.pms.ford.com) by cadcam.pms.ford.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA21728; Tue, 18 Apr 1995 10:44:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 10:09:07 -0400 Message-Id: <9504181409.AA02796@vp3842> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: A Turbo opportunity (AMOSPro AGA) Cc: Begust@aol.com X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 1578 Status: O X-Status: > From: Begust@aol.com > Now that Andy Church has finished Intuition 3.0, > and we can open and use a AGA screen: > Iscreen Open 1,640,400,256,Hires,"Hello",$91000. > and we can locate the screen in the Amigas memory with > Iscreen Base. Would it be possible to enhance the Turbo > Plus extension adding a screen location option to each > command allowing the command to work on any screen within > the Amigas memory? > > This would give Amos the long wanted AGA compatibility. Brad g., I have limited net-surf capability, and I only recently subscribed. I have little idea of what Intuition 3.0 is, or Turbo Plus extension is or what it can do. I have subscribed to this newsgroup since it relates to programming, engineering software on the best in its class system. It sounds like that you have been doing a lot of thinking about a possible solution to the AGA non-support. Your idea sounds like a two source hack, or am I mistaken? If so think hard about a one source solution. Remember $20 awaits! Clayton AMOS List, Is there any news anywhere on AMOS works from the author. Any news about IBMOS? ==:+O With the past history of IBM products, You may be able to buy a SVGA16-bitsoundblasted100megahertzpentiumCDwarpedgigahardfaxmodem clone for $500 (without the monitor) by Christmas next year or so. I suspect that the IBMOS might NEED all of that stuff just to work up to AMIGA standards..... and IBMOS just might be finished (debugged and stable) by then! ;) From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Apr 18 18:36:36 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA05863 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 18:36:28 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA06304 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 11:57:40 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA06300 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 11:57:37 -0400 Received: from vortex.netbistro.com by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA10457 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 11:57:30 -0400 Received: by vortex.netbistro.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #9) id m0s1FeW-000LTwC; Tue, 18 Apr 95 08:57 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 08:57:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Gau To: CRSO.Amos@canrem.com Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Passing arguments In-Reply-To: <60.2155.6587.0C1DC0AB@canrem.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 16 Apr 1995, Mike Pelletier wrote: > Ok, new question. (Thanks, by the way, to all who contributed to the > STDIN/STDOUT question.) Okay, this one is very straightforward: To get a command line: AMOSThing Blah A simple A$=Command Line$ will get the command line into A$ This might only work with the compiler extension for 1.3 and AMOS Pro but don't quote me on that one. ======================================================================== Gau of the Veldt "Draped in monster hides, eyes shining with intelligence. A youth surviving against all odds..." =====Internet: gau@vortex.netbistro.com================================= From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 19 14:38:05 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA16657 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 14:37:59 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA23803 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 08:43:17 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA23798 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 08:43:15 -0400 Received: from csmail (csmail.brookes.ac.uk) by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA21927 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 08:43:11 -0400 Received: by csmail (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA24405; Wed, 19 Apr 1995 13:42:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 13:42:45 +0000 From: ryan nicholas d <91211448@brookes.ac.uk> Message-Id: <9504191242.AA24405@csmail> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Bits and Pieces Content-Length: 2254 Status: RO X-Status: Hi, I've got a few questions to ask, so I decided to group them all together... -=================- Are there any printable docs files for the Easylife extension? .Guide files are all very nice, but you can only print one 'page' at a time, and being a technophobe, I'd much rather have it on paper. (You can look at the instructions at the same time as the offending code). BTW: Easylife is definitely one of the most useful extensions around, but I can't seem to find the command "El Kitchen Sink" anywhere ... -=================- Music and AmosPro: I'd like to be able to have music and samples at the same time. Unfortunately this doesn't seem to be possible with Mods, and Meds, so how can it be done? (And please don't suggest the Amos Music format, I've tried that and the "converter" that I had to convert from Mod to Amos format butchered the tunes horribly.) -=================- This isn't much of a problem but a "WHY?" instead. a = (320-Gr Length( title$ ))/2 doesn't work, while tl = Gr Length( title$ ) a = (320-tl)/2 does. I haven't got a real problem with the way that Amos does this (I know about it after all). I'd just like to know why it does it. What strange methods does AmosPro use to pass variables around? Why does it pass them around in this way? -=================- Is there anyway to force AmosPro to NOT perform it's string tidying functions? Even for only a limited amount of time, this would be very useful. -=================- Is the only difference between AmosPro compiled code for WB and for CLI that one is auto detaching? -=================- Thanks in advance. Nick -==========================================================================- For those of you who are interested, "Eternity" is in a "stable" test version, with over 300 technology types and (currently) 3 races. Unfortunately I've had to put it on hold for a bit, due to my final year project and other commitments, but it will be released soon(ish). -==========================================================================- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 19 17:47:53 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00707 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 17:47:48 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA04418 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 10:47:31 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA04412 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 10:47:29 -0400 Received: from ub.d.umn.edu by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA28495 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 10:47:28 -0400 Received: (from rfentima@localhost) by ub.d.umn.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA11678 for amos-list@access.digex.net; Wed, 19 Apr 1995 09:44:40 -0500 From: Robert Fentiman Message-Id: <199504191444.JAA11678@ub.d.umn.edu> Subject: Bye all To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS List) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 09:44:38 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1177 Status: RO X-Status: Well, I'm sorry to say I'm removing myself from the AMOS mailing list (at least temporarily). Everyone on here has been very helpful and friendly, but my schedule has gotten quite busy, and I haven't been able to use AMOS in quite a long time (in fact, I even deleted the pakage from my HD) and I haven't had time to read my mail frequently enough without there being 20+ messages ;o). Hopefully I'll find time to get back to AMOS coding in the future and resubscribe to the list. A big thank you to everyone who's on the list, it's been fun! -- ALSO SPRACH RFENTIMA /===================================================================\ // Robert Fentiman IRC: Kosh | Star Wars, MST3K, and B5 Fan\\ // InterNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu | Amiga 2000/030/9/100 WB2.1 \\ // or Robert.A.Fentiman-1@umn.edu | Future Astronaut Hopefull \\ \\ At: University of Minnesota, Duluth | And all around great guy ;o) // \\ Physics/Geology Major CS/Math Minor | ( THIS SPACE FOR RENT ) // \\ "All generalizations are bad." - R.H. Grenier // \===================================================================/ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 19 19:11:17 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA06204 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 19:11:15 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA17904 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 13:05:50 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA17900 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 13:05:45 -0400 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA09340 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 13:05:36 -0400 Via: uk.ac.leeds.gps1; Wed, 19 Apr 1995 18:05:01 +0100 Received: from gps.leeds.ac.uk (gps0) by leeds.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Apr 95 18:04:56 BST Received: from sun.leeds.ac.uk (sunserv1_ie4.leeds.ac.uk) by gps.leeds.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Apr 1995 18:04:55 +0000 Received: from sunserv2_ie0.sun.leeds.ac.uk by sun.leeds.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Apr 95 18:04:55 BST From: csc2jmp@sun.leeds.ac.uk Date: Wed, 19 Apr 95 18:04:54 BST Message-Id: <23360.9504191704@sunserv2_ie0.sun.leeds.ac.uk> To: amos-list Subject: Wanted: raw2iff sample converter Content-Length: 393 Status: RO X-Status: Can anyone supply me with some code (or a whole program) to convert raw sample data to IFF format.... basically I want to be able to do something like: raw2iff df0: df1: to convert all files on df0: into IFF files on df1: or raw2iff df0: to convert all files on df0: back to df0: one by one If cli-version not possible, then just a program run from AMOS would suffice... Thanks, JOE From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Apr 20 11:41:46 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA25229 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 11:41:43 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA05677 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 04:50:55 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA05665 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 04:50:51 -0400 Received: from eros.Britain.EU.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA04677 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 04:50:46 -0400 Received: from eurotherm.co.uk by eros.britain.eu.net with UUCP id ; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 09:49:26 +0100 Received: from keeper.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by m17.controls.eurotherm.co.uk; Thu, 20 Apr 95 08:04:16 GMT Received: from m17.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by keeper.eurotherm.co.uk; Thu, 20 Apr 95 08:03:13 GMT Message-Id: <9364.9504200804@m17.controls.eurotherm.co.uk> Received: from dab.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by m17.controls.eurotherm.co.uk; Thu, 20 Apr 95 08:04:12 GMT Sender: paulhi From: Paul Hickman Organization: Eurotherm Controls Limited To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 09:05:06 0 Subject: Re: Bits and Pieces + IFF Sample Converter Reply-To: paul.hickman@ecl.etherm.co.uk Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Status: O X-Status: > > Are there any printable docs files for the Easylife extension? .Guide files are > all very nice, but you can only print one 'page' at a time, and being a > technophobe, I'd much rather have it on paper. (You can look at the > instructions at the same time as the offending code). > I've never bothered to enough paper to try to print them! There are guide to plain text converters available on aminet somewhere in the text sub-directory. > BTW: Easylife is definitely one of the most useful extensions around, but I > can't seem to find the command "El Kitchen Sink" anywhere ... > See chapter 8, "Life, the Universe & Everything commands". P.s. There is no space between "El" and "Kitchen". > -=================- > > Music and AmosPro: I'd like to be able to have music and samples at the same > time. Unfortunately this doesn't seem to be possible with Mods, and Meds, so > how can it be done? (And please don't suggest the Amos Music format, I've tried > that and the "converter" that I had to convert from Mod to Amos format > butchered the tunes horribly.) Buy two amigas. (Or try Paul Reeces EME extension) > > -=================- > > This isn't much of a problem but a "WHY?" instead. > > a = (320-Gr Length( title$ ))/2 > > doesn't work, while > > tl = Gr Length( title$ ) > a = (320-tl)/2 > > does. I haven't got a real problem with the way that Amos does this (I know > about it after all). I'd just like to know why it does it. What strange methods > does AmosPro use to pass variables around? Why does it pass them around in this > way? > Erm, isn't "Gr Length" supposed to be "Text Length"? If so, this is a known bug with that particular command. > -=================- > > Is there anyway to force AmosPro to NOT perform it's string tidying functions? > Even for only a limited amount of time, this would be very useful. > Don't use any strings! (it is the only way). Easylife structured variables are safe from the garbage collector though. > -=================- > > Is the only difference between AmosPro compiled code for WB and for CLI that > one is auto detaching? > The WB version includes code to reply to the WB Message that workbench sends to all programs it starts. > -=================- > On the subject of raw to IFF sample conversion, load them into a recent version of octamed (3.00+ I think), then select Save samples as IFF from the sample editor, and save them again. However, the only difference between raw & IFF is the IFF version has a 72 byte header containing the looping positions & the usual IFF FORM & 8SVX stuff to identify it as an IFF sample. -------------------------------------------------------- WORK: Eurotherm Controls, Worthing Email: paul.hickman@controls.eurotherm.co.uk UNIVERSITY: Imperial College, London Email: ph@doc.ic.ac.uk -------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Apr 20 11:42:18 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA22335 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 11:42:15 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA05745 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 04:51:18 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA05737 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 04:51:15 -0400 Received: from eros.Britain.EU.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA04685 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 04:50:57 -0400 Received: from eurotherm.co.uk by eros.britain.eu.net with UUCP id ; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 09:50:15 +0100 Received: from keeper.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by m17.controls.eurotherm.co.uk; Thu, 20 Apr 95 08:06:18 GMT Received: from m17.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by keeper.eurotherm.co.uk; Thu, 20 Apr 95 08:05:15 GMT Message-Id: <9385.9504200806@m17.controls.eurotherm.co.uk> Received: from dab.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by m17.controls.eurotherm.co.uk; Thu, 20 Apr 95 08:06:15 GMT Sender: paulhi From: Paul Hickman Organization: Eurotherm Controls Limited To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 09:07:09 0 Subject: Easylife 110 patch Reply-To: paul.hickman@ecl.etherm.co.uk Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Status: O X-Status: Last week I accidentally filtered my AMOS List e-mail into a non-existent folder, hence I haven't received any messages since good friday. The "Bits and Pieces" message is the first I received since, so if anyone has discovered any more huge bugs in Easylife, please let me know (again). Mail sent directly to me was not affected. Did anyone notice that the last version of Easylife didn't give any error messages, just empty lines like " on line 53"? I put a macro call to include the error messages in the first character of a line, so devpac took it to be a label. A patched version, together with improved versions of AmosGuide & VarChecker will appear on aminet soon (I have mailed it so someone to upload for me, as I have no FTP from work. -------------------------------------------------------- WORK: Eurotherm Controls, Worthing Email: paul.hickman@controls.eurotherm.co.uk UNIVERSITY: Imperial College, London Email: ph@doc.ic.ac.uk -------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Apr 20 11:49:35 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA22731 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 11:49:33 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA06546 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 05:20:55 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA06542 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 05:20:53 -0400 Received: from relay2.pipex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA05446 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 05:20:52 -0400 X400-Received: by mta relay2.pipex.net in /PRMD=pipex/ADMD=pipex/C=gb/; Relayed; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 10:20:23 +0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=icl/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/; converted (ia5-text); Relayed; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 10:19:58 +0100 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 10:19:58 +0100 X400-Originator: Peter.Custerson@ste0402.wins.icl.co.uk X400-Recipients: non-disclosure:; X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=icl/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/;ste0402 0000046000002170] Original-Encoded-Information-Types: ia5-text X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: 2170 Alternate-Recipient: Allowed From: Peter.Custerson@ste0402.wins.icl.co.uk Message-Id: <"2170*/G=Peter/S=Custerson/OU=ste0402/O=icl/PRMD=icl/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/"@MHS> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Yet more scrolling problems. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="lbX85rsrV1TuyvxT2UHurSYER8zt8ogV" Status: RO X-Status: --lbX85rsrV1TuyvxT2UHurSYER8zt8ogV Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, I have finally managed to get round to writing my four way scrolling routine. The screen is only the size of the physical screen left and right, while up and down consists of a scrolling logical map, using the method of pasting blocks infront and behind giving a copy of the screen to jump back to when the --lbX85rsrV1TuyvxT2UHurSYER8zt8ogV Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" physical screen runs out. At the moment I use screen copy to paste the blocks from my block screen to my display screen. This is proving too slow :-( causing my bob to flicker. Is there a way of doing this faster? What should I be using Double buffering & screen swaps - would that mean that I would need to copy my once to the hidden screen the swap and do it again? Thanx in advance Pete. --lbX85rsrV1TuyvxT2UHurSYER8zt8ogV-- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Apr 20 12:39:21 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29368 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 12:39:16 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08180 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 07:14:27 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08175 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 07:14:26 -0400 Received: from tlti.tokem.fi by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA08813 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 07:14:23 -0400 Received: (from mystic@localhost) by tlti.tokem.fi (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA02872; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 14:14:39 +0300 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 14:08:21 +0300 (EET DST) From: Petri Hakkinen Subject: 2 mouses with amos? To: Amos list Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello everybody! I'm programming a two-player hired guns-style game and have a problem... It seems that X Mouse etc. functions doesn't recognize port 2, only port 1... At the moment I'm forced to program my own mouse routines unless of course there's an extension somewhere with better mouse support commands... If anyone of you know such extension, please, please tell me! Or maybe know a easy way to program second mouse on amos.... I'm not experienced in extension programming, but know something about assembler and amiga's hardware... Anyone? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?? Petri Hakkinen | A1200/2M/210M ?? ?? mystic@tlti.tokem.fi | C64/64k ?? ?????????????????????????????????????????????? From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Apr 20 15:49:20 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA09605 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 15:49:00 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA28005 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 12:25:07 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA27999 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 12:25:04 -0400 Received: from relay2.pipex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA24971 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 12:25:02 -0400 X400-Received: by mta relay2.pipex.net in /PRMD=pipex/ADMD=pipex/C=gb/; Relayed; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 17:24:36 +0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=icl/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/; converted (ia5-text); Relayed; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 17:24:20 +0100 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 17:24:20 +0100 X400-Originator: Peter.Custerson@ste0402.wins.icl.co.uk X400-Recipients: non-disclosure:; X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=icl/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/;ste0402 0000046000002181] Original-Encoded-Information-Types: ia5-text X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: 2181 Alternate-Recipient: Allowed From: Peter.Custerson@ste0402.wins.icl.co.uk Message-Id: <"2181*/G=Peter/S=Custerson/OU=ste0402/O=icl/PRMD=icl/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/"@MHS> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Scrolling problems. - resend Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="KoyRqYH6YEebbqkQnDsB2TznSdAuFxBW" Status: RO X-Status: --KoyRqYH6YEebbqkQnDsB2TznSdAuFxBW Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, I have finally managed to get round to writing my four way scrolling routine. The screen is only the size of the physical screen left and right, while up and down consists of a scrolling logical map, using the method of pasting blocks infront and behind giving a copy of the screen to jump back to when the --KoyRqYH6YEebbqkQnDsB2TznSdAuFxBW Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" physical screen runs out. At the moment I use screen copy to paste the blocks from my block screen to my display screen. This is proving too slow :-( causing my bob to flicker. Is there a way of doing this faster? What should I be using Double buffering & screen swaps - would that mean that I would need to copy my once to the hidden screen the swap and do it again? Thanx in advance Pete. --KoyRqYH6YEebbqkQnDsB2TznSdAuFxBW-- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Apr 21 02:39:52 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA14458 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 02:39:19 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA09257 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 23:16:48 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA09253 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 23:16:46 -0400 Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA06460 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 23:16:43 -0400 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by disperse.demon.co.uk id aa08016; 21 Apr 95 4:16 GMT-60:00 Received: from ultim.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id ab28763; 21 Apr 95 4:16 GMT-60:00 Received: by ultim.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA0070u; Fri, 21 Apr 95 00:48:31 GMT Date: Fri, 21 Apr 95 00:48:31 GMT Message-Id: <9504210048.AA0070t@ultim.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9364.9504200804@m17.controls.eurotherm.co.uk> (from paul.hickman@ecl.etherm.co.uk) (on Thu, 20 Apr 1995 09:05:06 0) Lines: 33 X-Mailer: ADMaN version 1.0 beta 1 (c) 1995 S.T.Brown From: Gareth Edwards To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Bits and Pieces + IFF Sample Converter Status: RO X-Status: > On the subject of raw to IFF sample conversion, load them into a > recent version of octamed (3.00+ I think), then select Save samples > as IFF from the sample editor, and save them again. However, the > only difference between raw & IFF is the IFF version has a 72 byte > header containing the looping positions & the usual IFF FORM & 8SVX > stuff to identify it as an IFF sample. If anyone's interested, I wrote a progette to convert raw toIFF and back again (if necessary). I'm not sure if it complies with the 8SVX IFF standard, but I got it to work with most every audio s/w I could find. I did it for a friend who was buil,ding a car alarm which used speech, but he only had access to an IFF saving sampler. If anyone wants it, send email to; mailserver@ultim.demon.co.uk leave the subject line blank, and in the body of th message, type the line; GET amos/raw2iff2raw.lha That should send the file (in amos source) to you, UUencoded. Love & Life, G. -- Gareth Edwards, Leeds, UK. FUTURE LOVE PARADISE: http://www.cis.yale.edu/~ariedels/seal.html From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Apr 21 06:27:23 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA05323 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 06:27:22 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA14789 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 03:21:00 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA14785 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 03:20:57 -0400 Received: from pool.info.sunyit.edu by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA15995 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 03:20:56 -0400 Received: (from udcg@localhost) by pool.info.sunyit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA19081; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 03:20:51 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 03:20:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "David C. Gorton" X-Sender: udcg@pool.info.sunyit.edu To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: AMOS TV Scroller Prg Needed Please! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I'm looking for an text-scroller for a TV newsroom. Sort of like what you would be able to roll credits on. But instead it would be for the reporters to read their lines off of while looking into the camera. Anybody know where I can find/FTP one? Source would be nice too. NTSC compatibility is a must, unless the source is available. I know just enough about AMOS to change PAL to NTSC. If I can find a prg like this, I can convince a local TV station to buy Amigas. And forgive the ignorant american question, but how do extensions work? I mean how does AMOS recognize them and allow them to be compiled? -Dave From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Apr 21 08:00:41 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00929 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 08:00:40 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA15458 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 04:09:51 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA15454 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 04:09:49 -0400 Received: from pianeta (pianeta.di.unito.it) by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA21224 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 04:08:15 -0400 Received: from cicladi.unito.it (cicladi.di.unito.it) by pianeta (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00866; Fri, 21 Apr 95 10:02:48 +0200 From: aldo@di.unito.it ( Magoga - Borsista CSI ) Message-Id: <9504210802.AA00866@pianeta> Subject: Re: Bits and Pieces + IFF Sample Converter To: paul.hickman@ecl.etherm.co.uk Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 10:02:00 +0200 (EET DST) Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net In-Reply-To: <9364.9504200804@m17.controls.eurotherm.co.uk> from "Paul Hickman" at Apr 20, 95 09:05:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1219 Status: RO X-Status: On 20th April Paul Hickman answered to a previous question about the Text Length command. > > This isn't much of a problem but a "WHY?" instead. > > a = (320-Gr Length( title$ ))/2 > > doesn't work, while > > tl = Gr Length( title$ ) > a = (320-tl)/2 > > does. I haven't got a real problem with the way that Amos does this (I know > about it after all). I'd just like to know why it does it. What strange methods > does AmosPro use to pass variables around? Why does it pass them around in this > way? > > Erm, isn't "Gr Length" supposed to be "Text Length"? If so, this is a > known bug with that particular command. > I would like to say that i used this method in my last version of Pattern Generator to center messages in the message box,buttons and so... It works very fine on my Amiga! Note that i used the first way and not the second... EX. To center "File doesn't exist!" i wrote: Text 100+(400-Text Length("File doesn't exist!"))/2,y,"File doesn't exist!" It means: - message box width=400 - start coords for message box are 100,y - print text starting from 100+(message box width-text length(MESSAGE$))/2 Luca Ferraris (aldo@di.unito.it) From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Apr 21 08:53:45 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA10935 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 08:53:41 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA18088 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 05:55:56 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA18083 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 05:55:54 -0400 Received: from wn1.sci.kun.nl by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA26712 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 05:55:52 -0400 Received: from mpih17 by wn1.sci.kun.nl via mpih17.mpi.nl [192.87.79.57] with SMTP id LAA18832 (8.6.10/2.9); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 11:55:50 +0200 Received: by mpih17 (1.38.193.4/2.1) on NUNET id AA00811; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 11:56:03 +0200 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 11:56:03 +0200 (METDST) From: Branko Collin X-Sender: bcollin@mpih17 To: "David C. Gorton" Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: AMOS TV Scroller Prg Needed Please! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 21 Apr 1995, David C. Gorton wrote: > I'm looking for an text-scroller for a TV newsroom. Sort of like what > you would be able to roll credits on. But instead it would be for the > reporters to read their lines off of while looking into the camera. > Anybody know where I can find/FTP one? Source would be nice too. NTSC > compatibility is a must, unless the source is available. I know just > enough about AMOS to change PAL to NTSC. > > If I can find a prg like this, I can convince a local TV station to buy > Amigas. erm... wouldn't that be something complicated as: FH=30 Screen Open 0,320,200+FH,2,Lowres Screen Display 0,128,50,320,200 Get Fonts Set Font "BigBoldOne",FH TB=Text Base NAME$=Fsel$("","","Please load the script") Open In 1,NAME$ Repeat Line Input #1, _LINE$ TT=Val(Left$(_LINE$,3)) _LINE$=Right$(_LINE$,Len(LINE$-4)) Text 0,200+TB,_LINE$ Scroll Up 'There is no such thing as a Scroll Up command, so look up 'the real scroll command in a manual. Wait TT Until eof(1) And your scriptfile would be something like: 002:Pete, straighten your tie! 001: 002:And on the air in: 002:5 002:4 002:3 002:2 002:1 002:Goodday, this is Peter Presenter live 002:on KKWZPM with yesterday's news. If you do not like my prog, I remember that there several scrollers on the Fish disks. Good luck! ....................................................................... . Branko Collin . 'WHOP . . . whisssssCRAC! . . // u249026@vm.uci.kun.nl . THUMPA THUMPA' . . \X/ bcollin@mpi.nl . Meccano - Gilette . ....................................................................... From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Apr 21 11:39:49 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA21098 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 11:39:42 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA19132 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 07:19:06 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA19128 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 07:19:05 -0400 Received: from tlti.tokem.fi by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29598 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 07:18:58 -0400 Received: (from mystic@localhost) by tlti.tokem.fi (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA04154; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 14:17:58 +0300 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 14:14:38 +0300 (EET DST) From: Petri Hakkinen Subject: Re: Re: 2 mouses with amos? To: sfmcnally@BIX.com Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net In-Reply-To: <9504201921.memo.98280@BIX.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: ??????????????????????????????????????????????? ?? Petri Hakkinen | A1200/50 MHZ ?? ?? mystic@tlti.tokem.fi | 10M RAM+210M HD ?? ??????????????????????????????????????????????? On Thu, 20 Apr 1995 sfmcnally@BIX.com wrote: > Petri, > > Do you use pro or creator? For Creator only, as far as I know, you can get the > Sticks 2 extension, it lets you use two mice. The author actually has made > the whole thing Freeware now, not liscensware anymore (seems only two people > bought it). Ok, thank you for the information, and no I don't use the creator anymore... Hmm, maybe now when the Stick extension is freeware the source code is available? Maybe if I'd had a look into the source, I might be able to convert it to Amos Pro .... it shouldn't be hard according to the extension.doc at least. Do you know where I can get the extension? It isn't on the aminet as far as I know... Thanks - Pete > > Seumas @ Dark Unicorn Productions > (sfmcnally@bix.com) > From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Apr 21 13:11:09 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA20087 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 13:11:07 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA20244 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 08:01:02 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA20240 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 08:01:00 -0400 Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00934 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 08:00:43 -0400 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 12:55:59 +0100 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI) id MAA17620; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 12:59:29 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 12:59:28 +0100 (BST) From: David Hollway X-Sender: dmh11@tower.york.ac.uk To: udcg , "David C. Gorton" Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: AMOS TV Scroller Prg Needed Please! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Fri, 21 Apr 1995, udcg wrote: > I'm looking for an text-scroller for a TV newsroom. Sort of like what > you would be able to roll credits on. But instead it would be for the Even if you can't find one, it's fairly simple to write your own such program.. if it's only for reporters to read (rather than actual production) then you don't need fancy fades/wipes/fonts etc. > If I can find a prg like this, I can convince a local TV station to buy > Amigas. Cool.. let's face it, you could use a standard A500 for this sort of thing, and probably get better results than with a PC :-) > And forgive the ignorant american question, but how do extensions work? > I mean how does AMOS recognize them and allow them to be compiled? Extensions are not AMOS programs.. they are seperate programs (usually written in MC68K) that "plug in" to the main AMOS interpreter/compiler program. I can't give you more technical information than that, simply because I don't know :-) Anyway, if you want a video titler, the following is on Aminet: CreditsTitler.lha gfx/show 30K 88+"video titler" to make scroll. credits jcosub22.lzh gfx/show 231K 3+Professional timed script video titling TelePrompt.lha gfx/show 31K 40+TelePrompter (Autocue) demo Isn't GREP great? ;-) Hopefully one of the above will solve your problem.. Regards, David Hollway. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Hollway (dmh11@tower.york.ac.uk) | //Amiga 4000-040-SCSI-CDROM-PII- Dept. of Computer Science, University of | \X/840MB "Amiga - Why Compromise?" York, York YO1 5DD, ENGLAND. | In Basel, Switzerland until 06/95 WWW Home: http://www.york.ac.uk/~dmh11/ | Tel: (010) (+41) 61 6975460 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Apr 21 11:50:53 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA22079 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 11:50:51 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA20484 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 08:07:59 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA20480 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 08:07:58 -0400 Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01279 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 08:07:45 -0400 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 13:04:30 +0100 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI) id NAA18035; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 13:08:05 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 13:08:05 +0100 (BST) From: David Hollway X-Sender: dmh11@tower.york.ac.uk To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: AMtuition update available FREE! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello all, I don't know if there's anyone out there using my "Amtuition" AMOS fake-intuition library, but in the course of fiddling about with AMOS yesterday I improved the system in a couple of small ways.. if you want the update it's free (although the original was Licenseware). Mail me and I'll send you a uu-encoded copy of the update, which I think is no more than 2K in size. One of the main improvements is that the MOVEWINDOW[] procedure now takes an additional parameter 'S' that enables full-window dragging (as seen on Windoze-NT, X11R6, the Amiga "Picdrag" program for the Picasso-II etc). I guess virutally all would-be Intuition programmers on this list are now using the "proper" Intuition extension, but if there are any AMtuition users out there, feel free to mail me. -David Hollway. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Hollway (dmh11@tower.york.ac.uk) | //Amiga 4000-040-SCSI-CDROM-PII- Dept. of Computer Science, University of | \X/840MB "Amiga - Why Compromise?" York, York YO1 5DD, ENGLAND. | In Basel, Switzerland until 06/95 WWW Home: http://www.york.ac.uk/~dmh11/ | Tel: (010) (+41) 61 6975460 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Apr 22 09:04:30 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13163 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 09:04:27 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA12375 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 04:58:55 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA12371 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 04:58:53 -0400 Received: from phoenix.inka.de by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA07296 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 04:58:48 -0400 Received: from by phoenix.inka.de with bsmtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #13) id m0s2QGz-0002fcC; Fri, 21 Apr 95 23:29 MET DST Received: from kiste.pfalz.de by mips.pfalz.de with cbsmtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0s2N2s-000CoMC; Fri, 21 Apr 95 20:03 MET DST X-Zc-Via: 19950421160455W+1@kiste.pfalz.de X-Zc-Via: 19950421141418W+1@sixpack.pfalz.de Subject: Re: Wanted: raw2iff sample converter Message-Id: Date: Fri, 21 Apr 95 13:40:29 CET X-Zc-File: Raw2Iff X-Zc-Telefon: V+49-89/8005856 X-Zc-Post: Kennedystrasse 8; D-82178 Puchheim; Germany X-Zc-Kom: 364 X-Zc-Typ: BIN Path: kiste.pfalz.de!sixpack.pfalz.de From: Chris@sixpack.pfalz.de (Chris Hodges) X-Mailer: MicroDot 1.10 [REGISTERED 000261] via Connectline-CLMSortin 2.17 To: amos-list@access.digex.net X-Gateway: ZConnect CL kiste.pfalz.de [Connectline/AmigaOS] References: <23360.9504191704@sunserv2_ie0.sun.leeds.ac.uk> Status: O X-Status: Try this program! :-) Still in beta state and only some hours old ;-) It supports the conversion of either single files or whole directories including pattern matching... The replay frequency is currently fixed to 15365 Hz.... However, it does not support recursive directories yet. Enjoy... Greetings Chris Hodges ===8<===8<=== begin 777 Raw2Iff M #\P ! 'M #Z0 >U)^@$"0I23R2QX 1.X MKO[:*D!*K0"L9A)![0!<3J[^@$'M %Q.KOZ,*( P+@ 4L'P )6T8(#P A0X M<@%(04ZN_SI*@&9D879P%$YU0_H 4' 3J[]V$J 9^PL0$ZN_\0B $'Z PDX M"'8M3J[_T=&EE(@A![0 D) AV "QM Q.KOSB*T (&8"80).=4CG 0HL;0 ,X M3J[_?"X 2>T%2"(,)#P ,(3J[]P"(') Q.KOXF.KP "DS?4(!.=2\.+'@ X M!' <@!.KO[. 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In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: My friend and I would love to try out your AMtuition extension. Can you send me a copy? ******************************************* * Vance Schowalter >>Image Master<< * * * * Internet: viking@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca * * * * "Affable little snow creature." * ******************************************* From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Apr 21 21:42:39 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA28252 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 21:42:37 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA18170 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 16:44:29 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA18096 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 16:42:47 -0400 Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA12276 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 16:41:57 -0400 Received: from gate.demon.co.uk by disperse.demon.co.uk id an06865; 21 Apr 95 20:40 GMT-60:00 Received: from dynamo.demon.co.uk by gate.demon.co.uk id aa03532; 21 Apr 95 20:33 GMT-60:00 Received: by dynamo.demon.co.uk (V1.16/Amiga) id AA00ypy; Fri, 21 Apr 95 18:44:36 GMT Date: Fri, 21 Apr 95 18:44:36 GMT Message-Id: <9504211844.AA00ypx@dynamo.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: (from "David C. Gorton" ) (on 03:20:47) Lines: 21 X-Mailer: ADMail version 1.01 (c) 1995 S.T.Brown From: Dominic Ramsey To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: AMOS TV Scroller Prg Needed Please! Status: O X-Status: Hi David, > I'm looking for an text-scroller for a TV newsroom. Sort of like what > you would be able to roll credits on. But instead it would be for the > reporters to read their lines off of while looking into the camera. > Anybody know where I can find/FTP one? Source would be nice too. NTSC > compatibility is a must, unless the source is available. I know just > enough about AMOS to change PAL to NTSC. > > If I can find a prg like this, I can convince a local TV station to buy > Amigas. I'm not sure if AMOS is your best bet, but you could try:- TelePrompt.lha gfx/show 31K 37+TelePrompter (Autocue) demo on Aminet -- Dominic Ramsey e-mail: dom@dynamo.demon.co.uk http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/amos/people/dramsey.html From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Apr 21 21:43:33 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21292 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 21:43:31 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA15370 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 15:25:16 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA15366 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 15:25:13 -0400 Received: from pool.info.sunyit.edu by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA07393 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 15:25:11 -0400 Received: (from udcg@localhost) by pool.info.sunyit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA06270; Fri, 21 Apr 1995 15:24:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 15:24:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "David C. Gorton" X-Sender: udcg@pool.info.sunyit.edu To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Real-time Window Dragging (Contents and all!) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: I saw mention on this list of that hack in Windoze-NT wher you can pick up a window, and drag the *whole thing around, not just an outline of the border. To try this you better have AT LEAST an accelerated graphics card, some sort of loca-bus, a Level 2 cache (on top of the normal one), and FAST HD, and at least a 90 MHz Pentium! Even then, the HD occasionally goes into coniptions (Windoze writes everything to the HD for no damn good reason, bitmap clips included). Plus, the background redraws can even then be flaky and delayed. And don't count on "multitasking", not that NT really does it right. So much processor time is consumed by this hack, not many cycles are available for anything else! If you're online, you can expect to get serial errors (data loss) unless you add a card with a 16 byte FIFO UART, and keep the baud rate at 9600 or lower. WHY THE AMIGA CAN DO IT BETTER: I don't do newsgroups, so maybe one of you can repost this proposal. What the Amiga does through elegant hardware design, the clones and Macs must do by dedicating all available processor time to the task...Like the Amiga-full-screen-dragging. I'll admit the OS routines for this are written in Finkel-Fecal-C, but even then it's reasonably fast, due to the good hardware. You need a 90 MHz Pentium to even THINK about real-time full window dragging. Unfortunately there's no Amiga OS patch to do this visually appealing window-move. This is sad, because a 7.159MHz Amiga 1000 for 1985 could do it better than a Pentium clone (due to Ami's versatile hardware). I understand the hardware, but my programming skills on the Amiga are weak. Here's how an Amigan could simply create a WorkBench patch to create real-time-full-window-dragging. Maybe one of the better 68K programmers could churn this out by next week. 1. When the user grabs a window to drag, a playfield of same dimension of the window should be opened. OCE/ECS or AGA should be checked to establish plane/playfield limits...ie: on an OCS system, an 8 color WB screen can only open up a 1 plane playfield. If you can't open enough planes for the playfield to represent all the colors in the original window, just open up as many planes as hardware will allow, and blit the most signigicant color (text usually) into the playfield...you get the idea... 2. Once you've got the plafield looking like the window, bring the playfield to front, at the same location as the Window. restore the contents under the window (use the OS routine for this). The system thinks you've got ahold of the window...as you drag the mouse, have your patch apply the XY coords used by the OS window-drag routine, to the playfield. The playfield moves in realtime...in effect, a HARDWARE WINDOW. 3. When the user lets go of the mousebutton, use the OS routine that places the window to it's new XY position. Then close/deallocate the playfield. Notes: On an OCS system, a 4 color WB, and a 4 color playfield on top, could start to be tad sluggish, if you have a HUGE window. It'd be like having a 16 color screen up. BUT IT STILL EATS LESS CYCLES AND BANDWIDTH THAN USING THE BLITTER and/or 680X0 to do realtime movement. Typical sized windows, even on an overscanned 720x480 2.1 WB (as inefficient as 2.0 and above are) should move pretty fluidly even on a 7MHz Amiga. If you have a 16 color OCS HiRes WB, or a 4 color ECS SuperHiRes WB, or a 256 color AGA SuperHires WB, you won't be able to open up a playfield of any depth, so any patch should check for this condition. I'm not familiar enough with AGA hardware :-( to know if a 256 color AGA HiRes WB would allow for another playfield. Since this mode only uses half of the available video bandwidth (as compared to SuperHires) I would suspect that it could allow you to open an 8 plane playfield. But I'm not going to make that assumption. I have no idea about the other goofier modes like 800x600, etc. It's up to you if you want to turn off the OS's dragging-outline-of-the-window routine. The user can't see it (the playfield is on top) anyway, and shutting it off will free up quite a few cycles! Overacheivers can try to defeat the OS's refusal to write to WB when a window is being moved. This means that WHILE a window is being moved, it can have updates occuring in it (like a dir listing or an audio-meter, etc), since it's not really on the WB anymore. Just make sure the videomode you're in allows for enough playfield planes to accurately reflect all the colors in the original window. And make sure you tell the OS where the new window's (playfield really) memory address is! If you do this, it also means other bitmaps updates can occur on the WB WHILE you're moving your "hardware window". This would REALLY make the Amiga multitasking look appealing, even to ignorant clone owners. In fact, whoever writes the best version of this, ought to offer it to whoever takes over the Amiga OS, as a part of the forthcoming OS upgrades. Sorta like how ARP was offered to CBM, but nipplehead Andy Finkel turned it down. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Apr 21 23:35:51 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA02680 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 23:35:48 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA25548 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 20:12:22 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA25544 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 20:12:21 -0400 Received: from crash.cts.com by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA24857 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 20:12:19 -0400 Received: by crash.cts.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #23) id m0s2So4-0000G1C; Fri, 21 Apr 95 17:12 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 17:12:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Cox To: dmh11@tmphost.york.ac.uk Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: AMtuition update available FREE! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I have AMTuition (Licenseware) and would like very much to have the updated version of it, thanx! Mail uuencoded copy to: gcox@ctsnet.cts.com Greg From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Apr 22 15:02:07 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA08910 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 15:02:03 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA07112 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 12:35:27 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA07100 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 12:35:23 -0400 Received: from elixir.e.kth.se by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA04680 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 12:34:41 -0400 Received: from lumen.e.kth.se (lumen.e.kth.se [130.237.48.64]) by elixir.e.kth.se (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA09850 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 1995 18:33:10 +0200 From: Tolga Turkoglu Received: (e92_tot@localhost) by lumen.e.kth.se (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) id SAA10617; Sat, 22 Apr 1995 18:33:09 +0200 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 18:33:09 +0200 Message-Id: <199504221633.SAA10617@lumen.e.kth.se> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: If vs On Proc Status: O X-Status: Hello everybody, I was wondering about which of these three routines that are faster: 1) ... MK=Mouse Key MC=Mouse Click If MC<>0 If MC=2 If MK=3 ... Else ... End If Else If MK=3 ... Else ... End If Else If MK=1 ... Else ... End If End If ... 2) ... MK=Mouse Key MC=Mouse Click If MC=2 and MK=3 then ... If MC=2 and MK<>3 then ... If MC=1 and MK=3 then ... If MC=1 and MK<>3 then ... ... 3) ... MICE=Mouse Click Rol.b 2,MICE Add MICE,Mouse Key On MICE Proc ZIP,ZIP,ZIP,ZIP,MICE_5,ZIP,MICE_7,... ... All three has both good and bad sides,but which one is faster? I've heard that procedures should be avoided to make routines faster.Is it true always or is it true only on events like when a procedure is returning or receiving an argument? Tolga From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Apr 22 20:13:54 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA05384 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 20:13:53 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA13317 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 14:43:38 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13313 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 14:43:36 -0400 Received: from goober.mbhs.edu by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA08391 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 14:43:35 -0400 Received: from dragon.mbhs.edu by goober.mbhs.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA45252; Sat, 22 Apr 1995 14:45:20 -0400 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 14:45:20 -0400 Message-Id: <9504221845.AA45252@goober.mbhs.edu> From: achurch@dragon.mbhs.edu (Andy Church) To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: If vs On Proc Reply-To: achurch@goober.mbhs.edu X-Mailer: MMail v4.21 Status: O X-Status: >I was wondering about which of these three routines >that are faster: > >1) > ... > MK=Mouse Key > MC=Mouse Click > If MC<>0 > If MC=2 > If MK=3 > ... > Else > ... > End If > Else > If MK=3 > ... > Else > ... > End If > Else > If MK=1 > ... > Else > ... > End If > End If > ... > > >2) > ... > MK=Mouse Key > MC=Mouse Click > If MC=2 and MK=3 then ... > If MC=2 and MK<>3 then ... > If MC=1 and MK=3 then ... > If MC=1 and MK<>3 then ... > ... > > >3) > ... > MICE=Mouse Click > Rol.b 2,MICE > Add MICE,Mouse Key > On MICE Proc ZIP,ZIP,ZIP,ZIP,MICE_5,ZIP,MICE_7,... > ... > >All three has both good and bad sides,but >which one is faster? 3 is fastest, then 1, then 2. >I've heard that procedures should be avoided to make >routines faster.Is it true always or is it true only on >events like when a procedure is returning or receiving an >argument? Well, then you've heard completely wrong. Procedures should *never* be avoided; in fact, they should be utilized as much as possible to make your code more readable and modular. It's true that not using procedures increases the speed of your code by a *very* small amount, but if you have something that's so speed-critical that you'd want to avoid even that overhead, you should be doing it in assembler anyway. --Andy Church (achurch@goober.mbhs.edu) WWW: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/ AMOS Web Site: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/amos/ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Apr 22 19:40:45 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA04646 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 19:40:43 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA10954 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 13:47:13 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA10950 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 13:47:11 -0400 Received: from powertech.no (lightning.powertech.no) by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA06840 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 13:46:31 -0400 Received: by powertech.no id AA05349 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.net (Amos List)); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 19:48:59 +0100 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 19:48:59 +0100 From: Eirik Synnes Message-Id: <199504221848.AA05349@powertech.no> To: amos-list@access.digex.net (Amos List) Subject: Real-time Window Dragging (Contents and all!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: THOR 2.0 for Amiga (SOUP) Lines: 24 Status: O X-Status: > Unfortunately there's no Amiga OS patch to do this visually appealing >window-move. This is sad, because a 7.159MHz Amiga 1000 for 1985 could >do it better than a Pentium clone (due to Ami's versatile hardware). In fact I have two patches that do this. An old one, TurboLayers 1.2, and a more recent one available on AmiNet: Opaque1.1.lha gfx/board 26K*Bug fix for opaque window commodity I have no idea of how the authors have implemented this, but they work. The latter is designed to run on graphics cards, but supports ECS and AGA. TurboLayers works on pre-2.0 releases of AmigaDOS and the OCS chipset, I haven't tested it on later releases and AGA. OpaqueMove requires an MC68030 and AmigaDOS 3.0. Should anyone want a copy of TurboLayers then E-Mail me and I'll uuencode it and send it off by E-Mail. Be aware that after April 25. I most probably won't be available on this address anymore. _ ( (_irik Nicolai Synnes - eiriks@powertech.no - using Thor 2.0_ Pluto NOTE: This E-Mail address will expire within a few days! From svcs1.digex.net!amos-request Sat Apr 22 12:53:54 1995 remote from earth Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by earth.usa.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id MAA12928 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 1995 12:53:53 -0600 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA07112 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 12:35:27 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA07100 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 12:35:23 -0400 Received: from elixir.e.kth.se by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA04680 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 12:34:41 -0400 Received: from lumen.e.kth.se (lumen.e.kth.se [130.237.48.64]) by elixir.e.kth.se (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA09850 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 1995 18:33:10 +0200 From: Tolga Turkoglu Received: (e92_tot@localhost) by lumen.e.kth.se (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) id SAA10617; Sat, 22 Apr 1995 18:33:09 +0200 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 18:33:09 +0200 Message-Id: <199504221633.SAA10617@lumen.e.kth.se> To: earth!access.digex.net!amos-list Subject: If vs On Proc Status: O X-Status: Hello everybody, I was wondering about which of these three routines that are faster: 1) ... MK=Mouse Key MC=Mouse Click If MC<>0 If MC=2 If MK=3 ... Else ... End If Else If MK=3 ... Else ... End If Else If MK=1 ... Else ... End If End If ... 2) ... MK=Mouse Key MC=Mouse Click If MC=2 and MK=3 then ... If MC=2 and MK<>3 then ... If MC=1 and MK=3 then ... If MC=1 and MK<>3 then ... ... 3) ... MICE=Mouse Click Rol.b 2,MICE Add MICE,Mouse Key On MICE Proc ZIP,ZIP,ZIP,ZIP,MICE_5,ZIP,MICE_7,... ... All three has both good and bad sides,but which one is faster? I've heard that procedures should be avoided to make routines faster.Is it true always or is it true only on events like when a procedure is returning or receiving an argument? Tolga From svcs1.digex.net!amos-request Sat Apr 22 18:03:41 1995 remote from earth Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by earth.usa.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id SAA23016 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 1995 18:03:41 -0600 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA13317 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 14:43:38 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13313 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 14:43:36 -0400 Received: from goober.mbhs.edu by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA08391 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 14:43:35 -0400 Received: from dragon.mbhs.edu by goober.mbhs.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA45252; Sat, 22 Apr 1995 14:45:20 -0400 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 14:45:20 -0400 Message-Id: <9504221845.AA45252@goober.mbhs.edu> From: earth!dragon.mbhs.edu!achurch (Andy Church) To: earth!access.digex.net!amos-list Subject: Re: If vs On Proc Reply-To: earth!goober.mbhs.edu!achurch X-Mailer: MMail v4.21 Status: O X-Status: >I was wondering about which of these three routines >that are faster: > >1) > ... > MK=Mouse Key > MC=Mouse Click > If MC<>0 > If MC=2 > If MK=3 > ... > Else > ... > End If > Else > If MK=3 > ... > Else > ... > End If > Else > If MK=1 > ... > Else > ... > End If > End If > ... > > >2) > ... > MK=Mouse Key > MC=Mouse Click > If MC=2 and MK=3 then ... > If MC=2 and MK<>3 then ... > If MC=1 and MK=3 then ... > If MC=1 and MK<>3 then ... > ... > > >3) > ... > MICE=Mouse Click > Rol.b 2,MICE > Add MICE,Mouse Key > On MICE Proc ZIP,ZIP,ZIP,ZIP,MICE_5,ZIP,MICE_7,... > ... > >All three has both good and bad sides,but >which one is faster? 3 is fastest, then 1, then 2. >I've heard that procedures should be avoided to make >routines faster.Is it true always or is it true only on >events like when a procedure is returning or receiving an >argument? Well, then you've heard completely wrong. Procedures should *never* be avoided; in fact, they should be utilized as much as possible to make your code more readable and modular. It's true that not using procedures increases the speed of your code by a *very* small amount, but if you have something that's so speed-critical that you'd want to avoid even that overhead, you should be doing it in assembler anyway. --Andy Church (achurch@goober.mbhs.edu) WWW: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/ AMOS Web Site: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/amos/ From svcs1.digex.net!amos-request Sat Apr 22 17:21:25 1995 remote from earth Received: from svcs1.digex.net (svcs1.digex.net [204.91.197.224]) by earth.usa.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id RAA15737 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 1995 17:21:24 -0600 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA10954 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 13:47:13 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA10950 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 13:47:11 -0400 Received: from powertech.no (lightning.powertech.no) by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA06840 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 13:46:31 -0400 Received: by powertech.no id AA05349 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.net (Amos List)); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 19:48:59 +0100 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 19:48:59 +0100 From: Eirik Synnes Message-Id: <199504221848.AA05349@powertech.no> To: earth!access.digex.net!amos-list (Amos List) Subject: Real-time Window Dragging (Contents and all!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: THOR 2.0 for Amiga (SOUP) Lines: 24 Status: O X-Status: > Unfortunately there's no Amiga OS patch to do this visually appealing >window-move. This is sad, because a 7.159MHz Amiga 1000 for 1985 could >do it better than a Pentium clone (due to Ami's versatile hardware). In fact I have two patches that do this. An old one, TurboLayers 1.2, and a more recent one available on AmiNet: Opaque1.1.lha gfx/board 26K*Bug fix for opaque window commodity I have no idea of how the authors have implemented this, but they work. The latter is designed to run on graphics cards, but supports ECS and AGA. TurboLayers works on pre-2.0 releases of AmigaDOS and the OCS chipset, I haven't tested it on later releases and AGA. OpaqueMove requires an MC68030 and AmigaDOS 3.0. Should anyone want a copy of TurboLayers then E-Mail me and I'll uuencode it and send it off by E-Mail. Be aware that after April 25. I most probably won't be available on this address anymore. _ ( (_irik Nicolai Synnes - eiriks@powertech.no - using Thor 2.0_ Pluto NOTE: This E-Mail address will expire within a few days! From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Apr 23 23:20:44 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA10696 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 23:20:38 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA12432 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 20:13:27 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA12428 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 20:13:24 -0400 Received: from pool.info.sunyit.edu by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13114 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 20:13:23 -0400 Received: (from udcg@localhost) by pool.info.sunyit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA15213; Sun, 23 Apr 1995 20:13:14 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 20:08:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "David C. Gorton" X-Sender: udcg@pool.info.sunyit.edu To: "Tim Jamison (Amiga Dude)" Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Real-time Window Dragging (Contents and all!) In-Reply-To: <01HPN0PAOEV691XN4S@grove.iup.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Tim, If you EVER find that prog again, let me know! Have you tried archie or anything like it to search for *drag* *real* or *wind* ? Better yet, get a full listing of an AmiNet or Boing site and bring it into your wordpro, and Search for the above mentioned words. You're bound to find it again. >I would like to see much improvements into the workbench...some things the >m*c 'n' trash does better, like good clipboard support, view by name is not >slow, etc. (of course that could be because I am using 7.14mhz amiga >that it is slow, but that is no excuse) The only thing I like about MacLipboard is the Command-/ cut-n-paste shortcut, which is the same as Amiga-C then Amiga-V. What do you like about it? Maybe I'm missing something? 2.0 and above "throws away" about 10,000 instructions per second, due to introduced features and inefficiencies. At least those are the results I got when checking it on a 7.159MHz Amiga. It will be just as inefficient on later Amigas, but won't be as noticable. The Show-By-Name is excruciatingly slow. The ARP SORT routine would infinitely improve it. Even the AmigaOS Sort command might be faster than the WB version. Also, Show-All/By-Name eats TONS of ChipMem! For no damn reason. And the machine can miss events when a disk is inserted (like menu selection). As of 2.0 and beyond, there's too much C crap. Finkel is twit. In preparation for 2.0, Andy Finkel wrote an Assem Parallel/Printer driver and support routines. It was huge, fat, slow and bloated just like Andy. Then he wrote it in C (letting the compiler do the real work), and announced that C can be faster/smaller than Assem. The truth is, that Finkel is a shitty Assem programmer (a compiled AmigaBasic program would be better than any Assem he could write). He had no place on the Amiga OS team! From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Apr 24 08:23:39 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA10248 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:23:36 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA28944 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 03:26:32 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA28940 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 03:26:30 -0400 Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29321 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 03:26:27 -0400 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:23:05 +0100 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI) id IAA29579; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:26:43 +0100 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:26:42 +0100 (BST) From: David Hollway X-Sender: dmh11@tower.york.ac.uk To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: AMtuition Update Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello all, I've been swamped over the last few days with requests for my AMtuition update.. perhaps it was my use of the word "FREE" in the offer that caused all this interest :-) I think people may have misunderstood my meaning slightly though. I used words to the effect of: "..this update is free, though the original was licenseware" ..which people have taken to mean (I suspect) that the whole product is now available free. That's not quite what I meant.. the update is only a part of the Amtuition system, rather than the whole thing. For those on the list who may not remember my incessant mentions of Amtuition a few months ago :-) it might be worth just clarifying what AMtuition is and isn't: 1) it doesn't allow you to open proper public/custom Intuition screens, nor does it support the AGA chipset (at least, no more than AMOS itself does as standard). If you want this, you'd be better to go for the "proper" Intuition extension (I can't remember who wrote this though.. Andy Church perhaps?) 2) AMtuition is just a library of procedures that make your AMOS programs look and feel like they're running under Intuition, with features like: -draggable windows (full-window dragging in the latest update) -bevel boxes -listview boxes -cycle gadgets -very comprehensive file, font and palette requesters that do all the work for you (similar in look and concept to reqtools.library) and more. If you thought it was more than this, I'm sorry; perhaps I should have made my meaning clearer. It's still a very impressive product though (in my unbiased opinion :-) ) and makes it very easy to give your programs proper kickstart 3.0 or 2.x -alike interfaces. If you want to see it in action, take a look at /dev/amos/amtudemo.lha on Aminet. The full package contains extensive documentation and lots of example code. Although it's licenseware, and so theoretically you've got to pay UKP3.50 or equivalent to get a copy, I can let anyone who's interested in it have a special version of AMtuition; send me e-mail at dmh11@tower.york.ac.uk if you want this. Regards, David Hollway. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Hollway (dmh11@tower.york.ac.uk) | //Amiga 4000-040-SCSI-CDROM-PII- Dept. of Computer Science, University of | \X/840MB "Amiga - Why Compromise?" York, York YO1 5DD, ENGLAND. | In Basel, Switzerland until 06/95 WWW Home: http://www.york.ac.uk/~dmh11/ | Tel: (010) (+41) 61 6975460 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Apr 24 09:32:34 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA13450 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 09:32:32 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA29682 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 03:52:29 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29675 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 03:52:25 -0400 Received: from eros.Britain.EU.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA18384 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 03:52:22 -0400 Received: from eurotherm.co.uk by eros.britain.eu.net with UUCP id ; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:52:06 +0100 Received: from keeper.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by m17.controls.eurotherm.co.uk; Mon, 24 Apr 95 07:32:19 GMT Received: from osprey.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by keeper.eurotherm.co.uk; Mon, 24 Apr 95 07:31:02 GMT Message-Id: <11870.9504240732@m17.controls.eurotherm.co.uk> Received: from dab.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by m17.controls.eurotherm.co.uk; Mon, 24 Apr 95 07:32:15 GMT Sender: paulhi From: Paul Hickman Organization: Eurotherm Controls Limited To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:33:11 0 Subject: Re: If vs On Proc Reply-To: paul.hickman@ecl.etherm.co.uk Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Status: O X-Status: > From: Tolga Turkoglu > Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 18:33:09 +0200 > To: amos-list@access.digex.net > Subject: If vs On Proc > > Hello everybody, > > I was wondering about which of these three routines > that are faster: > > 1) > ... > MK=Mouse Key > MC=Mouse Click > If MC<>0 > If MC=2 > If MK=3 > ... > Else > ... > End If > Else > If MK=3 > ... > Else > ... > End If > Else > If MK=1 > ... > Else > ... > End If > End If > ... > > > 2) > ... > MK=Mouse Key > MC=Mouse Click > If MC=2 and MK=3 then ... > If MC=2 and MK<>3 then ... > If MC=1 and MK=3 then ... > If MC=1 and MK<>3 then ... > ... > > > 3) > ... > MICE=Mouse Click > Rol.b 2,MICE > Add MICE,Mouse Key > On MICE Proc ZIP,ZIP,ZIP,ZIP,MICE_5,ZIP,MICE_7,... > ... > > All three has both good and bad sides,but > which one is faster? > Haven't the foggiest, but they will all be so fast that it will make little difference - go for the 1st or 2nd one in preference to the third, as it will probably be slower. > I've heard that procedures should be avoided to make > routines faster.Is it true always or is it true only on > events like when a procedure is returning or receiving an > argument? > Procedures are slower, but it is only worth avoiding them if you really need the speed increase. In normal programing where speed is not of the essence, use them. I usually use goto when using On Error inside a procedure, and hardly ever use gosub. The loss of local variables just doesn't make Gosub worthwhile, and it is less strict with syntax checking (You can do horrible things like jump into the middle of a loop). Some people will jump down my throat screamming "How dare you not use the fastest hackiest solution available - call yourself an amiga programmer?", but all I can say is if speed of execution is that important to you, buy an accelerator, or learn C++. -------------------------------------------------------- WORK: Eurotherm Controls, Worthing Email: paul.hickman@controls.eurotherm.co.uk UNIVERSITY: Imperial College, London Email: ph@doc.ic.ac.uk -------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Apr 24 10:38:07 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA17808 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 10:38:04 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA03712 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 05:26:49 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA03706 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 05:26:47 -0400 Received: from bos1a.delphi.com by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA05188 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 05:26:46 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) id <01HPPF3IYC0W96YRSU@delphi.com>; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 05:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.50) id <9504240525.memo.9706@BIX.com>; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 05:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 05:25:21 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Re: Real-time Window Dragging (Contents and all!) To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9504240525.memo.9706@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.net Status: O X-Status: David, The reason View By Name is so slow is that every single file is converted to an Icon (and thus stored in Chip Ram) before they're displayed. This was the easy way to allowing the user to select and drag view-by-name files just like regular icons. (Read "quick hack") This info is from one of the former C= devs residing on bix, Mike Sinz I believe, but it was a while back that I read it. (Pardon the continued topic drift) Seumas at Dark Unicorn Productions (longbow@mcd.on.ca or sfmcnally@bix.com) From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Apr 24 11:05:28 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA15740 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 11:05:16 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA03905 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 05:38:10 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA03901 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 05:38:09 -0400 Received: from wn1.sci.kun.nl by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA05503 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 05:38:07 -0400 Received: from mpih17 by wn1.sci.kun.nl via mpih17.mpi.nl [192.87.79.57] with SMTP id LAA15121 (8.6.10/2.9); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 11:37:56 +0200 Received: by mpih17 (1.38.193.4/2.1) on NUNET id AA08950; Mon, 24 Apr 1995 11:38:01 +0200 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 11:38:00 +0200 (METDST) From: Branko Collin X-Sender: bcollin@mpih17 To: "David C. Gorton" Cc: "Tim Jamison (Amiga Dude)" , amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Real-time Window Dragging (Contents and all!) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 23 Apr 1995, David C. Gorton wrote: > Tim, > >I would like to see much improvements into the workbench...some things the > >m*c 'n' trash does better, like good clipboard support, view by name is not > >slow, etc. (of course that could be because I am using 7.14mhz amiga > >that it is slow, but that is no excuse) > > The only thing I like about MacLipboard is the Command-/ cut-n-paste > shortcut, which is the same as Amiga-C then Amiga-V. What do you like > about it? Maybe I'm missing something? You're not 'listening' :-). What Tim says is not that the Mac clipboard is better, but that it is better supported. I know Mac programmes that even use the Paste command instead of an Import command (Swivel). On my Amy OTOH I usually forget to copy anything the clipboard needs (libs, assigns) when I make a stand-alone disk. Yesterday I started learning C. I ran it from a standalone disk and the first time I cut something from the source from my testprogramme I could not paste it back because I had forgotten to install the clipboards. I would not have forgotten this if EVERY Amiga programme (read: as on the Mac) would use the clipboards. For those who do not know the Mac: programmes must contain an edit menu with cut, copy and paste command (I guess this is according to Mac guidelines. I do not know this for sure, because I only once tried to program on a Mac and the computer crashed on my 'Hello World' prgramme :-) ). ....................................................................... . Branko Collin . 'WHOP . . . whisssssCRAC! . . // u249026@vm.uci.kun.nl . THUMPA THUMPA' . . \X/ bcollin@mpi.nl . 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From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Apr 24 19:36:29 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21976 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 19:36:25 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA18603 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 11:47:39 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA18596 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 11:47:36 -0400 Received: from dc.hb.se (mayday.dc.hb.se) by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA18778 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 11:47:30 -0400 Received: from utb.shv.hb.se (ewa.shv.hb.se) by dc.hb.se (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA09720; Mon, 24 Apr 95 17:46:07 +0200 Received: from EWA/SpoolDir by utb.shv.hb.se (Mercury 1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 95 17:50:18 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by EWA (Mercury 1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 95 17:50:11 +0100 From: "Marco Eberhardt" Organization: University of Boras To: Amos-List@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 17:50:09 MET-1MEST Subject: Plese help! Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: Status: RO X-Status: Hi to everyone! I readed a mail from Amos-mailing list, that there is a kind of batch for Amos-Pro, so you can use more colours or something like that! I've also picked up an amos progg from AmiNet that uses these batch, but I don't know what name it has or where I could get it! Now I have got a program that uses these batch, and I can't use it! So please send it to me, or tell me where I could get it! :-)) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* - SIGN: Marco E. - *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ********************************************************************* * Martial Arts makes life worth living :-)) * ********************************************************************* * The Place To Be Happy Is Here * * The Time To Be Happy Is Now * * The Way To Be Happy Is To Make Others So! * ********************************************************************* * E-MAIL ME: SA437@UTB.SHV.HB.SE * ********************************************************************* From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Apr 25 03:33:18 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA15623 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 03:33:16 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA19270 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 00:00:07 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA19264 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 00:00:03 -0400 Received: from goober.mbhs.edu by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA06929 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 00:00:02 -0400 Received: from dragon.mbhs.edu by goober.mbhs.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA33628; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 00:01:35 -0400 Message-Id: <9504250401.AA33628@goober.mbhs.edu> From: achurch@dragon.mbhs.edu (Andy Church) To: Darryl_Lewis@comlink.mpx.com.au Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: If vs On Proc Date: Mon Apr 24 23:59:35 1995 Status: O X-Status: Message-ID: <199504242359.AA00035@> Reply-To: achurch@goober.mbhs.edu X-Mailer: MMail v4.21 > AC> Well, then you've heard completely wrong. Procedures should > AC> *never* be > AC> avoided; in fact, they should be utilized as much as possible to make > AC> your > AC> code more readable and modular. It's true that not using procedures > AC> increases the speed of your code by a *very* small amount, but if you > ^ > |_ don't you mean decreases the speed of your code, ie slows it >down ? :-) Oops... looks like somebody wasn't thinking straight... :) --Andy Church (achurch@goober.mbhs.edu) WWW: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/ AMOS Web Site: http://www.mbhs.edu/~achurch/amos/ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Apr 24 21:49:31 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA00123 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 21:49:28 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA06624 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 18:06:51 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA06620 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 18:06:49 -0400 Received: from elixir.e.kth.se by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA17246 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 18:06:43 -0400 Received: from spirou.e.kth.se (spirou.e.kth.se [130.237.48.11]) by elixir.e.kth.se (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA26420 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 00:06:33 +0200 From: Tolga Turkoglu Received: (e92_tot@localhost) by spirou.e.kth.se (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) id AAA24281; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 00:06:32 +0200 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 00:06:32 +0200 Message-Id: <199504242206.AAA24281@spirou.e.kth.se> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Displaying bobs with Plot Status: O X-Status: Hello again everbody, Thanks to all who has replied to my speed problem with If and On Proc.I have a different problem now: When I combine bob updating with Plot command, the bobs leaves a trace behind themselves while they are moving.Here is the approximate code: Flash Off:Cursor Off:Autoback 0:Double Buffer Priority On:Bob Update Off ... 'Here loading some bob images ... Make Mask ... 'Here comes the main loop Do Bob Clear ... Plot x+50,y+50,colour Bob 1,x,y,image Bob Draw Screen Swap Wait Vbl Loop Now I know that I have to plot same Plot point twice because of Double Buffer.And you can assume that it is being taking care of in the code above. The real problem is that the Bob Clear command doesn't seems to work when Plot command is present.All the bobs on screen is left where they are and they seem to stuck to their position like if they where glued.This problem is appearing only if the line with the Plot command is there. I actually did come around this by putting Bob Clear right before Bob Draw but I really would like to know why this code isn't working.And I'm not sure if my solution is good enough. Tolga From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Apr 24 21:20:47 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA28480 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 21:20:43 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA05272 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 17:17:36 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA05268 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 17:17:34 -0400 Received: from sun.skylink.it by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA14015 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 17:17:26 -0400 Received: from skylink.UUCP by sun.skylink.it with UUCP id AA23493 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for amos-list@access.digex.net); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 23:21:10 +0200 Received: by skylink.it (UUPM-1.51) id D3891zH Mon, Apr 24, 1995 23:16:12 EDT From: ghizzo@skylink.it Message-Id: <9504242316.D3891zH@skylink.it> X-Mailer: UUPlus Mail 1.51 To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Amos & Exec Organization: SkyLink BBS - Full Interne Date: Mon, 24 Apr 95 23:16:10 EST Status: O X-Status: Hello guys! I have a litte (... very big) problem: I need a routine that take as inout an array of amos string, and give me as output a pointer to an exec list containig the strings. Thanks in advance. Pietro ---- ghizzo@skylink.it From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Apr 25 08:33:14 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA09853 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 08:32:41 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA29571 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 04:18:01 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29567 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 04:17:59 -0400 Received: from beech.soton.ac.uk by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA16084 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 04:17:53 -0400 Received: from willow.soton.ac.uk (willow.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.20]) by beech.soton.ac.uk (8.6.10/hub-8.5a) with ESMTP id JAA12406 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 09:17:33 +0100 Received: (from pl@localhost) by willow.soton.ac.uk (8.6.10/client-8.8) id JAA16727 for amos-list@access.digex.net; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 09:14:03 +0100 Message-Id: <199504250814.JAA16727@willow.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Help Needed To: amos-list@access.digex.net (Amos List) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 09:14:03 +0100 (BST) From: "Ludwig" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 663 Status: RO X-Status: I've been muppeting around with Bob Draw, Bob Update, Screen Swap, Autoback, Double Buffer, Wait Vbls etc until I`m going completely mad. Would some kind, generous soul like to vounteer to help? All I need is for someone to stick in the Bob Update's etc in my program in the right places, as no matter what I do, I still get flickering. Help! Lud -- (*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*) (*- Email: pl@soton.ac.uk * "If you want to Immortalise -*) (*- WWW: http://www.soton.ac.uk/~pl/ * Digitise" -Apollo 440 -*) (*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*) From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Apr 25 11:47:49 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA06672 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 11:47:11 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA05024 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 07:53:31 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA05019 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 07:53:30 -0400 Received: from gps0.leeds.ac.uk (gps-fddi.leeds.ac.uk) by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA08470 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 07:53:13 -0400 Received: from sunserv1.leeds.ac.uk (sunserv1_ie4.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.228.251]) by gps0.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA18601 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 12:52:40 +0100 Received: from sunserv2_ie0.sun.leeds.ac.uk (csc2jmp@sunserv2_ie0.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.28.2]) by sunserv1.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA03823 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 12:51:43 +0100 From: J M Pierlejewski Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 12:51:42 BST Message-Id: <14845.9504251151@sunserv2_ie0.sun.leeds.ac.uk> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Screen Scrolling Status: O X-Status: Could someone please send me some code that will do full screen eight-way scrolling at 50 frames per second in 32 colour-mode (not hardware scrolling) Thanks JOE ;) From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Apr 25 12:21:21 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA24274 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 12:21:20 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA05080 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 07:56:02 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA05076 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 07:56:00 -0400 Received: from gps0.leeds.ac.uk (gps-fddi.leeds.ac.uk) by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA08605 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 07:55:48 -0400 Received: from sunserv1.leeds.ac.uk (sunserv1_ie4.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.228.251]) by gps0.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA20016 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 12:55:34 +0100 Received: from sunserv2_ie0.sun.leeds.ac.uk (csc2jmp@sunserv2_ie0.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.28.2]) by sunserv1.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA03882 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 1995 12:54:53 +0100 From: J M Pierlejewski Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 12:54:52 BST Message-Id: <14935.9504251154@sunserv2_ie0.sun.leeds.ac.uk> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: RE: Screen Scrolling Status: O X-Status: >Could someone please send me some code that will do full screen eight-way >scrolling at 50 frames per second in 32 colour-mode (not hardware scrolling) Isn't itrsomething like: 0101001001010001000101010001010010101010101010101010101010101001010100101010 1010101010100011001001010101001010101010101010101101001011010110010101010101 1101001010101010101010100101010101010101010101010101011001010101010101010101 1010001001001010101010010101010000101010010100101010101010101010101010101010 1010101010101010000010000101010001001010110111110101010010101010101010101010 1010010010101010101010100101010010101010101010101010010101010010101010101010 ... ... 10101010100010100101001010010101001010101 From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 26 07:45:19 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA09003 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 07:45:11 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA27396 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 03:53:43 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA27392 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 03:53:40 -0400 Received: from wn1.sci.kun.nl by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA17527 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 03:53:19 -0400 Received: from mpih17 by wn1.sci.kun.nl via mpih17.mpi.nl [192.87.79.57] with SMTP id JAA07428 (8.6.10/2.9); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 09:53:10 +0200 Received: by mpih17 (1.38.193.4/2.1) on NUNET id AA23125; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 09:53:10 +0200 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 09:53:10 +0200 (METDST) From: Branko Collin X-Sender: bcollin@mpih17 To: Ludwig Cc: J M Pierlejewski , Amos List Subject: Re: Screen Scrolling In-Reply-To: <199504252011.VAA19232@willow.soton.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: On Tue, 25 Apr 1995, Ludwig wrote: > > > > >Could someone please send me some code that will do full screen eight-way > > >scrolling at 50 frames per second in 32 colour-mode (not hardware scrolling) > > > > Isn't itrsomething like: > > > > 0101001001010001000101010001010010101010101010101010101010101001010100101010 > > 1010101010100011001001010101001010101010101010101101001011010110010101010101 > > 1101001010101010101010100101010101010101010101010101011001010101010101010101 > > 1010001001001010101010010101010000101010010100101010101010101010101010101010 > > 1010101010101010000010000101010001001010110111110101010010101010101010101010 > > 1010010010101010101010100101010010101010101010101010010101010010101010101010 > > > > ... > > ... > > > > 10101010100010100101001010010101001010101 > > > > > > Is he muppeting around or what? Answering his own questions..Hmm. > The original poster made a joke (maybe a sarcastic reference to a serious help query before?), hence the smiley. Only no-one answered, so he did it himself. Meantime, I wonder what the 'intelligence'-services of the world think of all these zeroes and ones flying across the Internet. ....................................................................... . Branko Collin . 'WHOP . . . whisssssCRAC! . . // u249026@vm.uci.kun.nl . THUMPA THUMPA' . . \X/ bcollin@mpi.nl . Meccano - Gilette . ....................................................................... From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 26 13:38:29 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01906 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:38:19 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00828 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 08:00:00 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00824 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 07:59:58 -0400 Received: from access5.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA10460 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 07:59:57 -0400 Received: by access5.digex.net id AA18198 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for AMOS Mailing List ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 07:59:42 -0400 Path: news1.digex.net!news2.digex.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!strath-cs!news.staffs.ac.uk!bs47c!cm4bcans From: cm4bcans@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk (Andrew.N.Smith) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Subject: Re: AMOS Professional for Amiga Date: 24 Apr 1995 10:26:18 GMT Organization: Staffordshire University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3nfuca$dre@bs33n.staffs.ac.uk> References: <3leq2g$gh4@bs33n.staffs.ac.uk> <950406160112cfndvnlamb@fractal.dc.han.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: bs47c.staffs.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 07:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Resent-From: Michael Cox of EDS Resent-To: AMOS Mailing List Resent-Message-Id: Apparently-To: AMOS Mailing List Status: RO X-Status: Fractal@dc.han.de wrote: : Reply Mail from cm4bcans@bs47c.staffs.ac.uk dated 30-03 17:34 : subject 'AMOS Professional for Amiga' : > Is there anyone out there in Amiga land interested in AMOS Professional? : > Well I have written some new accesssory programs to replace the crap ones : > supplied with AMOS Pro. Anyone interested? : I'm interested! What kind of programmes are they? : Are they in source or compiled? : Nick the Great! ;-) They are accessories, source code. Theres 3 of them and unfortunately they are licenceware. A demo version is available though if you're interested. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 26 17:17:37 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA16754 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 17:17:16 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA13444 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:29:58 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13438 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:29:52 -0400 Received: from eros.Britain.EU.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA19053 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:29:34 -0400 Received: from eurotherm.co.uk by eros.britain.eu.net with UUCP id ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:52:04 +0100 Received: from keeper.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by osprey.controls.eurotherm.co.uk; Wed, 26 Apr 95 13:28:53 GMT Received: from osprey.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by keeper.eurotherm.co.uk; Wed, 26 Apr 95 13:27:37 GMT Message-Id: <2036.9504261328@osprey.controls.eurotherm.co.uk> Received: from dab.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by osprey.controls.eurotherm.co.uk; Wed, 26 Apr 95 13:28:48 GMT Sender: paulhi From: Paul Hickman Organization: Eurotherm Controls Limited To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:29:46 0 Subject: Re: Screen Scrolling Reply-To: paul.hickman@ecl.etherm.co.uk Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Status: O X-Status: > The original poster made a joke (maybe a sarcastic reference to a serious > help query before?), hence the smiley. Only no-one answered, so he did it > himself. Meantime, I wonder what the 'intelligence'-services of the world > think of all these zeroes and ones flying across the Internet. Sssh, they musn't realize that we know about the (BANG) AARRGGHHH.... (THUD) From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 26 16:12:51 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA10571 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:12:48 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA13474 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:30:30 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13470 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:30:28 -0400 Received: from eros.Britain.EU.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA19070 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:29:55 -0400 Received: from eurotherm.co.uk by eros.britain.eu.net with UUCP id ; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:52:08 +0100 Received: from keeper.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by osprey.controls.eurotherm.co.uk; Wed, 26 Apr 95 13:35:05 GMT Received: from osprey.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by keeper.eurotherm.co.uk; Wed, 26 Apr 95 13:33:50 GMT Message-Id: <3469.9504261335@osprey.controls.eurotherm.co.uk> Received: from dab.controls.eurotherm.co.uk by osprey.controls.eurotherm.co.uk; Wed, 26 Apr 95 13:35:01 GMT Sender: paulhi From: Paul Hickman Organization: Eurotherm Controls Limited To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:35:58 0 Subject: Easylife V1.10 Patch file Reply-To: paul.hickman@ecl.etherm.co.uk Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Status: O X-Status: My friend at college has just E-Mailed me to tell me that he has now uploaded the Easylife patch to aminet, so it should become available soon. It fixes some bugs (like lack of error messages in the extension), and improves AmosGuide & Varchecker (Which now has a help button in each requester which Prun's AmosGuide to explain what each error message means). I'm not sure what the filename will be because I sent it with an IBM 8.3 character name, and told my friend to rename it, but look for something to do with easylife in /dev/amos. -------------------------------------------------------- WORK: Eurotherm Controls, Worthing Email: paul.hickman@controls.eurotherm.co.uk UNIVERSITY: Imperial College, London Email: ph@doc.ic.ac.uk -------------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed above to not represent the views of Eurotherm Controls plc, or Imperial College, or in fact Paul Hickman, but are in fact the views of a small furry alien from the planet zorg (called fred), so if you don't like them, sue him/her/whatever. Death to all tennis players. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 26 13:59:56 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA02016 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:59:54 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA01315 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 08:09:16 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01308 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 08:09:14 -0400 Received: from nzambi.qub.ac.uk by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA10798 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 08:08:54 -0400 Received: from athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk by Nzambi.qub.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 12:07:00 +0000 Received: from bot39.causeway.qub.ac.uk by athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk with SMTP id AA09367; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:05:38 +0100 Received: by bot39.causeway.qub.ac.uk (5.65/4.7) id AA03732; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:05:35 +0100 Message-Id: <9504261205.AA03732@bot39.causeway.qub.ac.uk> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Help Needed In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 25 Apr 95 09:14:03 BST." <199504250814.JAA16727@willow.soton.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 95 13:05:33 EDT From: Daithi Padraig Ocuinn Status: RO X-Status: You wrote: >I've been muppeting around with Bob Draw, Bob Update, Screen Swap, >Autoback, Double Buffer, Wait Vbls etc until I`m going completely mad. >Would some kind, generous soul like to vounteer to help? All I need is >for someone to stick in the Bob Update's etc in my program in the >right places, as no matter what I do, I still get flickering. Help! I think somehing like this would work. Screen Open 0,320,256,16,Lowres ( or whatever ) Double Buffer Bob Update Off Do For t=1 to number of bobs Bob t,x,y,t next t (ie place all your BOBS) Bob Draw Wait Vbl Screen Swap Loop ------ The Bob t,x,y,t command will fix the place of the bob, but not display it. That will only happen when the bob draw command is called, and as it displays on the logical screen there should be no flicker, especially when combined with Screen Swap. However, I have no access to my Amiga at the minute, so I am not 100% sure that the above will be flicker free. Don`t worry about Bob Clear. And now, a problem of my own: In the Amos Pro manual it says that a command like Randomize 8 will set the random number generator to produce the same sets of numbers every time. Yet, it does not on my A1200. Why? (although I think I know - it`s another Amos `feature` no doubt) D.P.O`Cuinn From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 26 13:08:35 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA28659 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:08:33 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA01569 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 08:12:06 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01518 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 08:11:35 -0400 Received: from nzambi.qub.ac.uk by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA10906 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 08:11:19 -0400 Received: from athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk by Nzambi.qub.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 12:08:54 +0000 Received: from bot39.causeway.qub.ac.uk by athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk with SMTP id AA09371; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:07:33 +0100 Received: by bot39.causeway.qub.ac.uk (5.65/4.7) id AA03743; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 13:07:32 +0100 Message-Id: <9504261207.AA03743@bot39.causeway.qub.ac.uk> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Whoops! Date: Wed, 26 Apr 95 13:07:31 EDT From: Daithi Padraig Ocuinn Status: O X-Status: Er, as regards my previous message, there should be an Autoback 0 instruction after the Double Buffer command. D.O`Cuinn From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Apr 26 19:17:42 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA25134 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 19:17:10 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA25197 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:41:49 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA25193 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:41:43 -0400 Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA05945 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 14:41:24 -0400 Received: from TOWN4.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.6.10/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Wed, 26 Apr 1995 19:41:16 +0100 Received: from TOWN4/MAILQUEUE by TOWN4.ncl.ac.uk (Mercury 1.13); Wed, 26 Apr 95 19:41:15 GMT0BST Received: from MAILQUEUE by TOWN4 (Mercury 1.13); Wed, 26 Apr 95 19:41:09 GMT0BST From: "C.J.COULSON" To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 19:41:07 GMT0BST Subject: Re: Help Needed Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <8A90A4F7E17@TOWN4.ncl.ac.uk> Status: O X-Status: > > And now, a problem of my own: > > In the Amos Pro manual it says that a command like > Randomize 8 > will set the random number generator to produce the > same sets of numbers every time. Yet, it does not on my > A1200. Why? (although I think I know - it`s another > Amos `feature` no doubt) > > > D.P.O`Cuinn > It`s not the Randomise command at fault, it`s the Rnd command. You have to call the Rnd function with a negative number in order to get repeatable random sequences. e.g. For A=1 to 10 Randomise 42 For B=1 to 10 Print Rnd(100) Next B Next A will give 10 sets of totally random numbers, whereas For A=1 to 10 Randomise 42 For B=1 to 10 Print Rnd(-100) Next B Next A will give 10 sets of identical random numbers. Note that using a -ve number still results in positive random numbers being generated. Regards Chris --------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Coulson | A4000/EC030/882 - 18MB/530MB Robotics Postgraduate | Pentium 60 - 16MB/540MB/CD-ROM | E-Mail: | The Best of Both Worlds c.j.coulson@ncl.ac.uk | --------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Apr 27 09:40:53 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA09464 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:40:48 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA06624 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 03:05:55 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA06616 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 03:05:46 -0400 Received: from sol.labein.es by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA15946 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 03:04:33 -0400 Received: by sol.labein.es (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03446; Thu, 27 Apr 95 08:58:12 +0200 Date: 27 Apr 95 8:58 +0200 From: Angel Alvarez To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <268*angel@labein.es> Subject: Re: Easylife V1.10 Patch file Status: O X-Status: Paul Hickman wrote about his fantastic extension. > My friend at college has just E-Mailed me to tell me that he has now > uploaded the Easylife patch to aminet, so it should become available > soon. > > It fixes some bugs (like lack of error messages in the extension), > and improves AmosGuide & Varchecker (Which now has a help button in > each requester which Prun's AmosGuide to explain what each error message > means). > > I'm not sure what the filename will be because I sent it with an IBM > 8.3 character name, and told my friend to rename it, but look for > something to do with easylife in /dev/amos. Easylife110pt1.lha dev/amos 92K+Upgrade/Bug Fix for Easylife version 1.10 =============================================================================== _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Angel Alvarez _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ (Aldi Soft) _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ angel@labein.es _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ =============================================================================== | Note: Aldi Soft isn't a software company. It's me. | ====================================================== From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Apr 27 19:03:42 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA19798 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 19:03:38 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA03064 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:39:45 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA03053 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:39:32 -0400 Received: from beech.soton.ac.uk by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13335 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:39:29 -0400 Received: from willow.soton.ac.uk (willow.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.20]) by beech.soton.ac.uk (8.6.10/hub-8.5a) with ESMTP id KAA03799; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:13:10 +0100 Received: (from pl@localhost) by willow.soton.ac.uk (8.6.10/client-8.8) id KAA07175; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:10:53 +0100 Message-Id: <199504270910.KAA07175@willow.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Screen Scrolling To: paul.hickman@ecl.etherm.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:10:53 +0100 (BST) From: "Ludwig" Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net (Amos List) In-Reply-To: <2036.9504261328@osprey.controls.eurotherm.co.uk> from "Paul Hickman" at Apr 26, 95 02:29:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 810 Status: O X-Status: > > The original poster made a joke (maybe a sarcastic reference to a serious > > help query before?), hence the smiley. Only no-one answered, so he did it > > himself. Meantime, I wonder what the 'intelligence'-services of the world > > think of all these zeroes and ones flying across the Internet. > > Sssh, they musn't realize that we know about the (BANG) AARRGGHHH.... > > (THUD) > Oh no! Murder on the Amos-List! A case for Agent Mulder and Agent Scully if there ever was one... Lud (*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*) (*- Email: pl@soton.ac.uk * "If you want to Immortalise -*) (*- WWW: http://www.soton.ac.uk/~pl/ * Digitise" -Apollo 440 -*) (*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*) From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Apr 27 12:45:30 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA27409 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:44:57 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AB22865 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 08:21:43 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA22856 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 08:21:28 -0400 Received: from pianeta (pianeta.di.unito.it) by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA07713 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 08:19:37 -0400 Received: by pianeta (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17154; Thu, 27 Apr 95 12:47:03 +0200 From: aldo@di.unito.it ( Magoga - Borsista CSI ) Message-Id: <9504271047.AA17154@pianeta> Subject: New Amos Web Site. To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:47:02 +0200 (EET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1307 Status: RO X-Status: Hi All. I'm very happy because i can announce to you a new Amos Web Site. After a lot of months, finally the web is finished and updated every 2-3 days. My web doesn't want to compete with others (PLAYFIELD!, Andy Church's..). I made it only because i love Amiga and i like programming with Amos. This web is placed on the WWW server of the Department of Computers Science in Turin, ITALY. It is a sub-document of my WWW page, linked with the Amiga Development Project (ADP), also placed on the same WWW server. ADP is a WWW page with a lot of links to people interested in Amiga programming, music, graphic and hardware. Actually, ADP is administrated by Marco Musso. Actually ADP is linked to : - Marco Musso (Administrator, programmer, student..) - Alex Garoli (author of Artic, a very good packer device. Demo version on Aminet in directory util/pack) - Diego Cortassa & Enrico Canardi (Brain Machine's developers) - Luca Ferraris (me) - Francesco Dipietromaria - Roberto Attias (IPISA organizator) - Sebastiano Vigna (author of SuperDuper copier,Mostra..) The AMOS Web site's address is:i http://www.di.unito.it/pub/WWW/www_student/amiga/LucaFerraris/amosweb.html The ADP address is: http://www.di.unito.it/pub/WWW/www_student/amiga/ Bye Bye... Luca (aldo@di.unito.it) From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Apr 27 12:47:20 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA22752 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:47:18 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA22058 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 08:04:34 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA22006 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 08:03:52 -0400 Received: from ruucv1.chem.ruu.nl by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01514 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 08:01:39 -0400 Received: from tc6.chem.ruu.nl by ruucv1.chem.ruu.nl (5.65/4.13) with SMTP id AA19172; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:49:19 +0200 Received: by tc6.chem.ruu.nl (1.37.109.4/4.31) id AA29109; Thu, 27 Apr 95 11:52:15 +0200 Message-Id: <9504270952.AA29109@tc6.chem.ruu.nl> Subject: help compiling To: amos-list@access.digex.net (Amos-Mailing-List) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 11:52:12 METDST From: m.g.d.wehrens@chem.ruu.nl (Martijn Wehrens) Organisation: University Utrecht Reply: m.g.d.wehrens@chem.ruu.nl Reply-To: m.g.d.wehrens@chem.ruu.nl Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: RO X-Status: Hi, I am experiencing problems compiling a (big) program. I am using AmosPro 2.0 (all three updates) and the Procompiler. The 'long jump' option is used. I have an A500, 1chip and 2fast. Kick1.3 and 2.0 The program I compile makes no use of any extensions other than those supplied with apro. The program can be run using amos1.3 too. No special pro-commands are used. The program uses no special graphical commands (expect dual playfield and screen offset). The program needs more than 400kb of 'set buffer' to work properly. And that brings me to the problem, the prog works fine when run in amos. The 1.3compiler compiles it and when started (any of amos/cli/wb) the prg starts and gives a 'software failure' for no clear reason I tried putting lots of 'wait key' in the program to find what goes wrong but this shows the prg supposedly crashes at things like 'text x,y,'ok'' or such lines. The procompiler works better but still crashes after keypresses. It ALWAYS crashes. And it doesn't seem to matter what happens. Compiling other programs works fine and big programs like the 'TOMEmap editor' (280k) compile ok (under 1.3 of course). Compiling on other computers (A2000 1chip, 2fast, 25mhz '30 '882 4Mb) the result is (of course ?) the same: software failure. Can you give me information on things I should DEFENITLY look at when compiling ? Like settings of variabeles (intitializing them and so on) I had the 'varchecker' from the easylife distribution go over the program and it did find some 20 'undeclared' vars in some 260K of program code. The prog contains very, very many string-operations. Can these be at fault ? If you have any experience in compilings that go wrong, post them please as I am sure a good compilation of 'amos-errors' (exuse me: 'amos-features' :-| ) would be to everone's benefit. If you already have such a 'list' : please post it ? --------------------------------------------------------------- Martijn Wehrens, Theoretical Chemistry Group Utrecht University email m.g.d.wehrens@chem.ruu.nl --------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Apr 27 15:36:03 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA05455 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:36:01 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02756 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:36:16 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02752 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:36:13 -0400 Received: from cr33m.staffs.ac.uk by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13057 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:36:05 -0400 Received: from bs47c.staffs.ac.uk (bs47c.staffs.ac.uk [193.60.1.15]) by cr33m.staffs.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA19221 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:35:55 +0100 Received: by bs47c.staffs.ac.uk; id AA24182; Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:35:54 +0100 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:35:54 +0100 (BST) From: "Andrew.N.Smith" Subject: ATTENTION ALL AMOS CODERS To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: There is a great new diskmag called Amoszine packed with reviews, news, source code and free graphics. It is Licenceware normally and costs about 2.50 (Sterling). I will send a PD issue though so you can all see what it is like. If you would like more information then contact the following address: Steve Bye, 31 Wellington Road, Exeter, Devon, EX2 9DU. England. Just tell him that Andy S sent you! From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Apr 29 15:18:56 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA17136 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 15:18:54 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA14243 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 10:34:26 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA14237 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 10:34:23 -0400 Received: from linux.chichester.ac.uk by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA08126 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 10:34:20 -0400 Received: from novix.chichester.ac.uk (novix.chichester.ac.uk [193.133.28.10]) by linux.chichester.ac.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA10907 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 1995 15:16:48 +0100 Message-Id: <199504291416.PAA10907@linux.chichester.ac.uk> From: Steve Wood Date: Sat, 29 Apr 95 15:32:51 -700 To: amos-list@access.digex.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla/1.0N (Windows) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: amos/subscribe Status: RO X-Status: Hi, my name is Steve (aka Gizmo), I have been using Amos for 2 years and have not managed to finish any program I've been writing. I would like to be added to the Amos list as I can offer some help to like minded people, mainly in the non-games making side of things. I would also like to know if anybody has written a replacement file requester routine yet. I attempted a few months ago but it was go slow and boring I gave up. The reason I ask is because I am at present putting the finishing touches to a football statistic and prediction program and the Amos requesters don't blend in at all with the GUI I am using. Please get in touch. Gizmo (stephenw@inetgw.chichester.ac.uk) From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Apr 30 13:45:38 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA10517 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 13:45:36 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21644 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 04:45:49 -0400 Received: from nfs1.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21640 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 04:45:47 -0400 Received: from lendal.york.ac.uk by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29173 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 04:45:44 -0400 Received: from tower.york.ac.uk by lendal.york.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 09:42:33 +0100 Received: by tower.york.ac.uk (950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI) id JAA22783; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 09:46:16 +0100 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 09:46:16 +0100 (BST) From: David Hollway X-Sender: dmh11@tower.york.ac.uk To: stephenw , Steve Wood Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: amos/subscribe In-Reply-To: <199504291416.PAA10907@linux.chichester.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On Sat, 29 Apr 1995, stephenw wrote: > Hi, my name is Steve (aka Gizmo), > I would also like to know if anybody has written a replacement > file requester routine yet. I attempted a few months ago but > it was go slow and boring I gave up. The reason I ask is because > I am at present putting the finishing touches to a football > statistic and prediction program and the Amos requesters don't > blend in at all with the GUI I am using. Please get in touch. Aha! Take a look at http://www.york.ac.uk/~dmh11/programs.html and you'll find my "AMtuition" AMOS addition (it's not a proper /extension/ so I won't call it that :-) ) It makes it very easy for you to have a GUI in AMOS programs that looks like Workbench 2.x/3.x, and it has a very comprehensive file-requester that looks (and acts) very like the asl.library one. > Gizmo > (stephenw@inetgw.chichester.ac.uk) > Regards, David Hollway. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Hollway (dmh11@tower.york.ac.uk) | //Amiga 4000-040-SCSI-CDROM-PII- Dept. of Computer Science, University of | \X/840MB "Amiga - Why Compromise?" York, York YO1 5DD, ENGLAND. | In Basel, Switzerland until 06/95 WWW Home: http://www.york.ac.uk/~dmh11/ | Tel: (010) (+41) 61 6975460 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon May 1 01:57:06 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA25592 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 1 May 1995 01:57:05 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA25472 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 22:50:10 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA25467 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 22:50:08 -0400 Received: from seraph.uunet.ca (uunet.ca) by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA19330 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 22:50:07 -0400 Received: from portnoy.canrem.com ([198.133.42.17]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <193299-7>; Sun, 30 Apr 1995 22:51:30 -0400 Received: from canrem.com by portnoy.canrem.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00136; Sun, 30 Apr 95 22:46:22 EDT Received: by canrem.com (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id 1DE8E0; Fri, 28 Apr 95 11:05:45 -0500 To: amos-list@access.digex.net Reply-To: CRSO.Amos@canrem.com Sender: CRSO.Amos@canrem.com Subject: help compiling From: mike.pelletier@canrem.com (Mike Pelletier) Message-Id: <60.2238.6587.0C1DE8E0@canrem.com> In-Reply-To: <9504270952.AA29109@tc6.chem.ruu.nl> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 11:57:00 -0400 Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Status: RO X-Status: When you compile, do you have the create default screen shut off? And if so, are you using the default screen in your program? If there is no screen to write to, it will crash out quite quickly. Well met and godspeed, Giark From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon May 1 04:19:35 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08337 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 1 May 1995 04:19:33 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA29502 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Mon, 1 May 1995 01:03:33 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29495 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 01:03:30 -0400 Received: from phoenix.inka.de by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA24069 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 01:03:26 -0400 Received: from mips.pfalz.de by phoenix.inka.de with bsmtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #13) id m0s5nbQ-0002gKC; Mon, 1 May 95 07:01 MET DST Received: from kiste.pfalz.de by mips.pfalz.de with cbsmtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0s5lm2-000CnXC; Mon, 1 May 95 05:03 MET DST X-Zc-Via: 19950501043552W+1@kiste.pfalz.de X-Zc-Via: 19950430215229W+1@sixpack.pfalz.de Subject: Re: Plese help! Message-Id: Date: Sun, 30 Apr 95 21:07:55 CET X-Zc-Telefon: V+49-89/8005856 X-Zc-Post: Kennedystrasse 8; D-82178 Puchheim; Germany Path: kiste.pfalz.de!sixpack.pfalz.de From: Chris@sixpack.pfalz.de (Chris Hodges) X-Mailer: MicroDot 1.10 [REGISTERED 000261] via Connectline-CLMSortin 2.18 To: amos-list@access.digex.net X-Gateway: ZConnect CL kiste.pfalz.de [Connectline/AmigaOS] References: Status: RO X-Status: SA437@utb.shv.hb.se (Marco Eberhardt) wrote on 24.04.1995 some text under the subject Plese help! . I can't leave this uncommentated ;-) ME> I readed a mail from Amos-mailing list, that there is a kind of batch ME> for Amos-Pro, so you can use more colours or something like that! Euh? That would be quite interesting... Anyone got more information? ME> I've also picked up an amos progg from AmiNet that uses these batch, ME> but I don't know what name it has or where I could get it! ME> ME> Now I have got a program that uses these batch, and I can't use it! Could you please send me this program (if possible) so I'm getting into the same situation? ;-))) ME> So please send it to me, or tell me where I could get it! :-)) Dito. Bye, Chris Hodges __ __ A500/290/CD/'30er; German Extension-Coder __ /// / / _____ GCS d H s-:++ !g p? !au a18 w++ v? C+++ \\\/// / /_/ ___/ LOGOUT E---- N++ K- W------ -po+ t++@ !5 j-- R+ G? \XX/ \__/ __/ FASCISM! tv- b+ D-- B? e+(++)* u++ h! f !r n+ !y+ AMIGA RULEZ! \/ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon May 1 04:18:19 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA09771 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 1 May 1995 04:18:15 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA29540 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Mon, 1 May 1995 01:04:10 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29536 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 01:04:08 -0400 Received: from phoenix.inka.de by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA24079 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 01:04:06 -0400 Received: from mips.pfalz.de by phoenix.inka.de with bsmtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #13) id m0s5nbQ-0002gPC; Mon, 1 May 95 07:01 MET DST Received: from kiste.pfalz.de by mips.pfalz.de with cbsmtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0s5lm2-000CnbC; Mon, 1 May 95 05:03 MET DST X-Zc-Via: 19950501043559W+1@kiste.pfalz.de X-Zc-Via: 19950430215230W+1@sixpack.pfalz.de Subject: Re: Screen Scrolling Message-Id: Date: Sun, 30 Apr 95 21:30:08 CET X-Zc-Telefon: V+49-89/8005856 X-Zc-Post: Kennedystrasse 8; D-82178 Puchheim; Germany Path: kiste.pfalz.de!sixpack.pfalz.de From: Chris@sixpack.pfalz.de (Chris Hodges) X-Mailer: MicroDot 1.10 [REGISTERED 000261] via Connectline-CLMSortin 2.18 To: amos-list@access.digex.net X-Gateway: ZConnect CL kiste.pfalz.de [Connectline/AmigaOS] References: <14845.9504251151@sunserv2_ie0.sun.leeds.ac.uk> Status: RO X-Status: csc2jmp@sun.leeds.ac.uk (J M Pierlejewski) wrote on 25.04.1995 some text under the subject Screen Scrolling. I can't leave this uncommentated ;-) JP> Could someone please send me some code that will do full screen eight-way JP> scrolling at 50 frames per second in 32 colour-mode (not hardware scrolling) I could... But do you have a Cyberstorm 060 inside? ;-)) Bye, Chris Hodges __ __ A4000/400/CD/'60er; German Extension-Coder __ /// / / _____ GCS d H s-:++ !g p? !au a18 w++ v? C+++ \\\/// / /_/ ___/ LOGOUT E---- N++ K- W------ -po+ t++@ !5 j-- R+ G? \XX/ \__/ __/ FASCISM! tv- b+ D-- B? e+(++)* u++ h! f !r n+ !y+ AMIGA RULEZ! \/ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon May 1 05:24:04 1995 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA14671 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5); Mon, 1 May 1995 05:24:02 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA29577 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for amos-out); Mon, 1 May 1995 01:04:39 -0400 Received: from nfs2.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29573 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 01:04:37 -0400 Received: from phoenix.inka.de by nfs2.digex.net with SMTP id AA24102 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 01:04:34 -0400 Received: from mips.pfalz.de by phoenix.inka.de with bsmtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #13) id m0s5nbQ-0002gUC; Mon, 1 May 95 07:01 MET DST Received: from kiste.pfalz.de by mips.pfalz.de with cbsmtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0s5lm2-000CneC; Mon, 1 May 95 05:03 MET DST X-Zc-Via: 19950501043601W+1@kiste.pfalz.de X-Zc-Via: 19950430215230W+1@sixpack.pfalz.de Subject: Re: help compiling Message-Id: Date: Sun, 30 Apr 95 21:40:58 CET X-Zc-Telefon: V+49-89/8005856 X-Zc-Post: Kennedystrasse 8; D-82178 Puchheim; Germany Path: kiste.pfalz.de!sixpack.pfalz.de From: Chris@sixpack.pfalz.de (Chris Hodges) X-Mailer: MicroDot 1.10 [REGISTERED 000261] via Connectline-CLMSortin 2.18 To: amos-list@access.digex.net X-Gateway: ZConnect CL kiste.pfalz.de [Connectline/AmigaOS] References: <9504270952.AA29109@tc6.chem.ruu.nl> Status: RO X-Status: m.g.d.wehrens@chem.ruu.nl (Martijn Wehrens) wrote on 27.04.1995 some text under the subject help compiling. I can't leave this uncommentated ;-) MW> Can you give me information on things I should DEFENITLY look at MW> when compiling ? Try out these things: a) Retokenize the program. This will correct most file errors (which are scarce, really ;-) ) b) If using Data-lines, check out for comments etc. otherwise the compiler will be confused by this remarks. c) If using permanent banks, check if all the bank lengths are *even*. Not doing so will cause the compiler to create unexecuteable files. d) Try out both cli and wb executables. e) Try to reduce the string buffer size. f) Avoid dummy and trash strings where possible. Use DUMMY=Free in compilcated string manipulation procedures. g) Ask Francois Lionet to fix the string bugs! :-) h) Give up. :-( MW> The prog contains very, very many string-operations. MW> Can these be at fault ? I'm quite sure about this. I've coded a lot of programs and my AMOS-Guide program has to use a lot of string work and you can watch it crashing after at least 30 seconds scrolling through large nodes... I'm afraid there's nothing you could do about this but to avoid using strings... :-( MW> If you already have such a 'list' : please post it ? I've heard of a very long list of global amos bugs, if anyone has it (Andy?), could you please be so kind to post it ;-) Thx. Bye, Chris Hodges __ __ A500/290/CD/'30er; German Extension-Coder __ /// / / _____ GCS d H s-:++ !g p? !au a18 w++ v? C+++ \\\/// / /_/ ___/ LOGOUT E---- N++ K- W------ -po+ t++@ !5 j-- R+ G? \XX/ \__/ __/ FASCISM! tv- b+ D-- B? e+(++)* u++ h! f !r n+ !y+ AMIGA RULEZ! \/